I have never come across so many bugs

Microsoft 36)a@
Nov 29, 2018 38 Comments

I have to use all kinds of internal/external Microsoft products, sites, and tools.
Teams, Skype, Yammer, Outlook, Global Connect, msw, tar, Aurhenticator, OneNote, VSTS/Azure Devops, Azure portal, etc. The list is long.

And every single one of those things is fucking terrible. It is literally psychologically PAINFUL to use them. I have never in my whole life come across so many bugs, terrible design, lack of foresight, and straight up carelessness. At the moment it’s the main driving force in my job hunt. I would be Leetcoding on my work laptop right now but some MSIT thing pretty much broke my laptop and MSIT won’t do anything about it. I feel bad for customers. And everyone around me just shrugs their shoulders at all of the shit quality.

Fucking kill me now.

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  • LinkedIn Gb3S2l
    Dear OP, Yes we know. MS products suck. That’s why we still use Google GSuite, even years after you acquired us, because no fucking way. Love, LinkedIn.
    Nov 29, 2018 6
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      Gill Bates

      LinkedIn Eng

      BIO
      [Insert epic sax here]
      Gill Batesmore
      Gmail beats Outlook, but the rest of Gsuite sucks major balls.
      Nov 29, 2018
    • LinkedIn Gb3S2l
      Funny, we are back on outlook now. But all of Engineering rejects Word and Excel in favor of the Google versions, because collaborative editing experience is not even close
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      Yup. Gsuite is miles ahead better than Microsoft crud.
      Nov 29, 2018
    • New / Data
      Nullify

      New Data

      PRE
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      Nullifymore
      OP why are you still at Microsoft if you are not so passionate about the company and it’s products ?!
      Nov 30, 2018
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      I’m still here because I haven’t done my onsites yet. Next week.
      Nov 30, 2018
  • Google / Eng googler4
    Fix them and quit whining
    Nov 29, 2018 3
    • Symantec / Eng 0x80007005
      I agree. Ms should make an effort to fix. Or atleast not make it worse. The latest ones with Windows and then office is a fiasco.
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      Yeah ok let me fix every single product offering while doing my own job while coming across every productivity-killing bug imaginable.
      Nah, I think I’ll just GTFO while the going is good.
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      But 0x800 is right. MICROSOFT should pause and make an effort to fix things. Especially before the Azure-sales gravy train slows down.
      Nov 29, 2018
  • Symantec / Eng 0x80007005
    Yes ms does a shitty job with quality. But it also depends on your product type.

    I will give a few examples:
    1. Os: the code is old, legacy and designed way back. It ia in c. It doesn't lend well to unit testing. And redesigning has its own challanges.

    2. Deployment model: because it is a platform company, if they break things it is harder to deploy patches in many scenarios. If the machine is bricked or the network is broken you can't do much. Compare that to products designed to work online, you have a bug u fix the server side, and it gets fixed. So servicing is easier.

    3. Age of code : office has a million features and it is also old. So per #1 hard to test. No one will rewrite the cash cow. And testing the combination of all features is a nightmare. Compare to google docs, much newer, started with lesser features, only the ones users wanted were added, and newer code, so better designed for testing, validation and automation, also it is server side, cloud based. Per #2 way easier to service.
    Nov 29, 2018 9
    • Symantec / Eng 0x80007005
      Also another tendency i have seen is ms has this need to reinvent everything. That is a big mistake. They won't use perforce but make source depot, then they will move to git but fuck git up with making it a kernel driver, they refuse to use regular json or protobuf, and will make a bond, they won't use gmock or gtest, but make their own version, and teams won't talk to each other, they will rewrite the same logic over and over again....And arrogance is like the part and parcel,'we r msft we know best'
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      Yup. It’s like some tech executives thought that they should buy every hot new trend or risk missing out. Shotgun approach where only 1/100 of projects needed to do well in their minds. But what happens when it’s a while before that 1/100 hits again? We should look at the examples of big companies that do one or a few things but do them really really really well.
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Symantec / Eng 0x80007005
      I agree with sam-i-am i usually argue this point as well, somehow forgot, ms made an ecosystem, a general purpose extendable os which can be customised for any damn hardware. Imagine how hard it is to do this while keeping your trade secret still a secret. Ppl complain linux network always gives better performance than windows, well yeah, u have hack around that stack, try keeping the core networking logic wrapped in ndis with proper interfaces and yet make it extendable AND BaCKWARD compatible.
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Symantec / Eng 0x80007005
      These is coDe in the kernel that still disallows filenames of com aux prn. From 1975. It is now a joke, but imagine the level of backward compatibility here
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      I’m not even talking about Windows. That’s another beast of an issue.
      Nov 29, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng twiddling
    Fwiw, I have never come across a bug in Outlook, office, vsts, asure portal, visual studio or onenote. Skype for Business is terrible though.
    Nov 29, 2018 5
    • Symantec / Eng 0x80007005
      Aah skype, it was the first video conf software, ms bought it and fucked it up. Now it is the worst. Every other video conf software is better. And then they can't decide, offiCe communicattor, skype teams, what next, and again why not use slack, teams is a poorer version of it anyways
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Microsoft MereDork
      Hi twiddling. How was NEO last week?
      Nov 30, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng twiddling
      You're off by a couple of years :-)
      Nov 30, 2018
    • Microsoft MereDork
      And never found a bug in those? Unhuh.
      Nov 30, 2018
    • Microsoft yuiva
      Were you always working in windows environments and using Microsoft products mostly? Those are the only category of ppl I found so far who thinks that Microsoft products works fine. Generally they’re used with things slowing down/ hanging once in while, had to restart sometimes, try reconnecting if first few times something fails etc ;)
      May 16
  • Google Groogle
    Believe me things are similar (more or less) in every company. But people have that impression about Microsoft being the worst (I see that Microsoft is below average product quality) but it is not that bad

    It is ironic that people keep bashing Microsoft products but can’t stop using them, directly or indirectly.
    Nov 29, 2018 3
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      I’ve worked at other big companies. It really IS that much worse at Microsoft. Much much much worse.
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Google Groogle
      I worked at Microsoft and I know it is worse but far from being that much worse IMO
      Nov 29, 2018
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      Time salves wounds perhaps. But it really is fucking terrible by a wide margin.
      Nov 29, 2018
  • Microsoft undefined
    I appreciated this juxtaposition.
    Nov 29, 2018 1
    • Vertivco / Eng
      Warp Zone

      Vertivco Eng

      PRE
      YouTube, American Bureau of Shipping, Facebook
      Warp Zonemore
      Thank you for that.
      Nov 30, 2018
  • New / Design IFhq14
    I feel for you, OP.
    Currently changed company. They use MS office and outlook. All my previous companies used Google. Now, daily task that could've be been really simple becomes a pain... Every time I open outlook to check schedule, I feel depressed 🤦‍♂️
    Nov 29, 2018 1
    • Microsoft 36)a@
      OP
      😭
      Nov 29, 2018
  • Amazon PAxv45
    Main reason I left Microsoft, just compare it to Google products. They are way better.
    Nov 30, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng ktl
    Microsoft products are fine. Their internal tools, however, are pain in the ass the use.
    Dec 18, 2018 0
  • Citrix Systems / Eng Ronaldfoot
    I like outlook. It offers a lot of features
    Nov 29, 2018 0

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