Internships between Oath/Yahoo APM vs. MongoDB PM

New / Eng curioustec
Jan 9 20 Comments

Hello: I'm trying to decide between two internships Oath/Yahoo APMs and MongoDB. I'd appreciate hearing some inputs to make a good decision. If you have worked/interned at these companies, I'd love to hear your thoughts, too!

1. Pay doesn't matter much since I'm focusing on diversifying my skills and experiences. I've interned as software engineer in the past.

2. Oath/Yahoo seems to have a solid APM program and great mentorship (started by Marissa Mayer who also started the Google APM program). MongoDB has fun internship program (heard from a friend who was an engineer intern, not sure about PM).

3. At Oath/Yahoo, I might have a chance to work on consumer facing products (more impact?) vs. the business products at MongoDB.

4. Location: Bay Area vs. NYC.

5. Two things I'm unsure about Oath/Yahoo are:
- The news about brand name change to Verizon Media and budget cut.
- There's quite an amount of people who seem to be not happy there (e.g., Blind, Glassdoor). All feedback were from engineers though I'm not sure about PMs.

Side note: I also received an engineering internship offer from Facebook but I think I'm gonna try out PM which might open a door to the full time APM programs such as Google, Twitter, Lyft, etc.

Thank you!

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  • Yahoo SailingFan
    The APM internship is a new program that is being started this year and is run by the same people who run the APM program. The people running the program are former Google APMs who came over when Marissa took over as CEO. They are solid PMs and leaders and would be good mentors for an aspiring PM.

    A couple of thoughts for you:

    * If you’re interested in consumer products than APM is a great place to get your feet wet. Getting experience working on consumer will give you a leg up next year when you’re looking for full time roles in consumer products

    * if your after graduation plans have you leaning towards the Bay Area than APM is a great option. More importantly, there are tons of Yahoo alumni working throughout the Bay Area and odds are great that your experience interning here will open doors for you with those alumni.

    * oath is transitioning to be closer to Verizon so there is going to be noise around the company. That being said, there is still tremendous focus on our core consumer products (e.g., Finance, Mail, Sports, etc). Additionally, working on these products will give you a better idea about building things for a larger scale.

    * odds are good that some of the standard Bay Area tech benefits are going away (e.g., free food) as we move closer to Verizon

    Happy to answer more questions. HTH
    Jan 12 1
    • Yahoo Ongurrv
      My advice: send a DM to SailingFan. Everything they’ve said in this thread has been spot on. They know what they’re talking about. I’m in eng, not PM, so I have no direct advice. But I know someone legit when I see it.
      Jan 12
  • eBay shock
    MangoDB
    Jan 9 2
    • Yahoo GrIt88
      MongolDB
      Jan 9
    • Oath / Eng IdontCareU
      Really like your Mango bro LOL
      Jan 9
  • SAP yomero
    Are these your only options?
    Jan 9 1
    • New / Eng curioustec
      OP
      PM internships: yes.
      SWE: FANG but I think I'm gonna try out PM for the summer.
      Jan 9
  • Oath XgSt44
    The APM program is in shambles. Very few viable PMs emerge. Like everything else at Oath, it's half-assed and no one with any seniority trusts the APMs. They continue to spin wheels doing nothing valuable, wasting resources. Look at the last 3 years of Yahoo answers and Index if you want proof. I'd avoid. SW Dev intern program is 180 degrees. Very valuable, and you'll learn a ton.
    Jan 9 5
    • Yahoo SailingFan
      Unfortunately, this is a fairly uninformed post. First off, no APM worked on Yahoo answers for the last 3 years because no one worked on Yahoo answers for the last 3 years. It wasn’t until 6 months ago that someone took over answers. Index was a cluster, but that had nothing to do with the APM working on it.
      Jan 12
    • Oath XgSt44
      You're wrong. They called it "Yahoo Answers Now". It was 100% a Yahoo answers app. And yes, the horrific APM who led it just left the company.
      Jan 12
    • Oath XgSt44
      And just like that... its gone.
      Jan 12
    • Yahoo SailingFan
      Yahoo answers now was not Yahoo answers. It was a different product altogether. Index was a program of work run by multiple VPs of Product and Engineering. Using it as an example of the APM program makes no sense.
      Jan 12
  • Yahoo pnma32
    I was a PM at oath. Have since left. Good at oath: not enough competent PMs still engaged with their jobs so you can quickly get big scope and oppty.

    Bad: everything else. The only PM leaders left are the ones good at playing politics and in many cases this means they are bad PMs. Not always true but often.
    Jan 9 2
    • New / Eng curioustec
      OP
      Thank you for sharing your perspective. Do you have any insights regarding the APM program and/or intern program? I was software intern in the past and since this will be my first PM experience, I hope to look for "learning on the go" and especially solid mentorship.
      Jan 9
    • Yahoo pnma32
      You'll learn because you will be the only one working. You will not likely find quality mentorship.
      Jan 9
  • Oath / Eng IdontCareU
    Come and join us.
    Jan 9 2
    • New / Eng curioustec
      OP
      what do you think about working there? I did a quick browsing on Blind and it seems some people are trying to jump ship. These are engineers tho so I'm not sure about PMs. Thank you!
      Jan 9
    • Yahoo k_
      Yep. By the time you join only PMs Will be left
      Jan 10
  • Airbnb Knzx
    Oath/yahoo is pretty bad. That said your exp will be valuable and you won't have trouble getting interviews after interning there. It's a good stepping stone just don't stay for too long.
    Jan 9 0