Is forcing diversity #’s a problem?

Twitter suVG07
Aug 17, 2018 44 Comments

Are we lowering our standards to hire people that are not as qualified for “diversity”? Do they really offer anything more (with all things considered) when compared with someone of similar qualifications?

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  • Your post is riddled with misconceptions. Clearly your employer already has low standards
    Aug 17, 201815
    • Twitter suVG07
      OP
      ChangeMyOpinion its just weird that they openly say “we are going to move diverse resumes to the top”, similar to harvard controversy a while back
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      No but then we fire them. We don’t promote them just coz they are diverse. That’s what the problem is with diversity. Per Diversity only x% of woman of certain group should sleep with x% of same group male and and rest all should be given chance

      Or worst performing actors should show up in next Avengers movie.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      Moneyball is random, Diversity is not its a plotted reservation for incompetent people to earn more money.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • 👆🏼Beneficiaries of low standards here who think they’re victims
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      Lol I would cry my eyes out tomorrow and ask for Moneyball price claiming I should get it since I didn’t buy the lottery ticket and per Diversity price should be awarded to people from all variations.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      Btw why don’t you fight for Diversity in Army?
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Facebook / MgmtAsdfFdsa?
      It’s clear that ATtE14 doesn’t know what you’re talking about when you say Moneyball. It’s not the lottery, it’s a book/movie. Ffs
      Aug 17, 2018
    • HAECO Americas / EngPaperbag
      OP you’re just scared of seeing more diverse/colored coworkers.

      Don’t worry though, they won’t immediately know you’re a dick.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Twitter suVG07
      OP
      thanks bro
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      HAECO be happy you got a job not coz of your talent
      Aug 20, 2018
  • Amazon ATtE14
    It’s pure bullshit but If you think about it everything in world is, so who cares 😊
    Aug 17, 20184
    • Twitter suVG07
      OP
      whats bs is when they make more $$$ than u
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      Right but then there will always be bullshit people making more than you, per relativity. And if you think karma gets back at them then that also never happens coz Nature is unfair
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Twitter suVG07
      OP
      deep 🙇‍♂️
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      My point is assume there is no diversity, in that case as well you will see incompetent people making more than you, that always happens. What’s wrong with diversity is they are putting it in your face as if it’s something our fault.
      Aug 17, 2018
  • Apple L8wj6ch
    Companies would be idiotic to have diversity policies that are self-defeating. The reason diversity programs exist is that companies naturally get under qualified and under-talented candidates precisely because they aren’t trying for diversity. Think about how many “good old boys” or “boys club” or “girls club” people get hired at most any company anywhere. They’re far from the most qualified - they just know people.

    Like they say, it’s not what you know...
    Aug 17, 20184
    • Uber yudas
      Companies pursue diversity because lack of diversity is bad PR in today's political/social climate, not for any logical reason or positive gain other that PR/brand.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Facebook / MgmtAsdfFdsa?
      @yudas you could not be more wrong (source: me, white American-born male)
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Apple L8wj6ch
      Yudas, you clearly aren’t in management. PR/ brand drives very few diversity decisions save maybe a token executive hire here or there.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Bank of America / Engfombart
      @L8w, That sounds like the beginning of an interesting monologue.
      Aug 17, 2018
  • Facebook / MgmtAsdfFdsa?
    This is certainly not true at Facebook. We strive to make sure there are a diverse set of candidates at the top of the funnel, but there is no special consideration in the hiring decision or interview process because of anyone’s diversity.
    Aug 17, 20181
    • Microsoft
      Our reviews now take into account what we did to make Microsoft more diverse. This is for everyone, not just management
      Aug 17, 2018
  • NetApp OfWq48
    I agree 100% with you. I once brought this up to a friend who's a recruiter at one of the FAANGs and she said to never bring that up to anyone but totally agrees that companies are leaning towards hiring based on identity rather than quality/performance. Sadly, the diversity program doesnt work in the sports entertainment and movie industry haha. i believe it's just brownie points for that company so they can boast. The purpose of a company is to produce good quality products but i feel some priorities have shifted into meeting certain quotas on how many minorities they've hired. I do appreciate diversity though because we're exposed to so many different perspectives but if theyre hiring minorities just to check off some items on a checklist is unfair for the qualified. ive met a few people who were hired cuz of the diversity program but overall, everyones competant and able to finish their task. some slower than others haha.
    Aug 17, 20184
    • Amazon ATtE14
      Ya it’s all bullshit to keep politicians happy.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Twitter suVG07
      OP
      thats the question i am posting and tweaking above. how did we end up this way? and how dare we not talk about it unless its for more of it ?!
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Twitter suVG07
      OP
      (for the record i am a minority)
      Aug 17, 2018
    • NetApp OfWq48
      Im not sure how it ended up like this but it's the trend now. i dont think the majority (caucasian and asian males) have a safe place to say because others will cause an uproar. or those who complain to the company will get disicplined or some sort.

      remember that one google guy who got fired immediately after some sort of memo rearding diversity? The news reported it as antidiversity when it wasnt and when eople got their hands on this 10 page memo, it was revealed that the guy wasnt against it but pointed out strengths from males and females. also, what happened to freedom of speech? you only have freedom of speech when youre on the same side.
      Aug 17, 2018
  • Uber uber.
    Think about what standards means. It means grinding leetcode ability. That isn’t standards.
    Aug 17, 20182
    • Bank of America / Engfombart
      Ideally, every hiring manager is using their own consistent set of standards, with occasional tweaks. The teams I'm familiar with here don't touch leetcode.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Uber uber.
      Then your team obviously has no standards :p
      Aug 17, 2018
  • NewRelic cyrpt
    In the Bay Area, for the entry level jobs, yes diversity. For the senior level, it's all the same race and sex.
    Aug 17, 20180
  • Susquehanna International / EnghwEf88
    At my last employer I received triple the referral bonus when I referred a friend's wife, and she got hired. She was from a diverse group. I don't think she was worse than others. In the end she quit to pursue a law degree, guess tech wasn't what she enjoyed.

    I also know that at my last employer that HR would make it so that a manager wasn't able to rate diverse team members below satifactory. At the same time managers were told they had to rate a certain number of team members below satisfsctory.
    Aug 17, 20180
  • Google skyking
    I‘m not authorized to comment on pending litigation. Please reach out to Google PR for a statement.
    Aug 18, 20183
    • Amazon ATtE14
      Ya or your balls will be smashed by the oo’s
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Google skyking
      What are oo’s?
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon ATtE14
      The oo’s in the G”oo”gle
      Aug 19, 2018
  • Bank of America / Engnameless1
    For now, the best you can do is to only consider skill when you hire for your own team, and avoid letting on that you're not helping with quotas so you can keep hiring. But this is a great topic to see on Blind.
    Aug 17, 20180
  • Apple / Eng
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    Diversity helps in accomplishing bell curved performance management ratings. Now don’t ask how having that bell curve helps.
    Aug 17, 20180

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