Is this a good offer for London, UK market?

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remus808

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Nov 4, 2018 29 Comments

Moving from Google MTV to a startup in London. Pay seems much lower in Europe. 5yoe

Base: £100k
Shares: £130k (vests over 4yrs + refreshes)

This was their initial offer. Should I try to negotiate up? I suspect from the interviews that it's very close to the maximum they are willing to offer.

My TC at Google L4 was $245k
Base: $140,000
Bonus: $25,000
RSU: $80,000

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  • Google / Eng
    xevb3k

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    Go for Google Zurich if you want to move to Europe. We pay MTV TC! Everyone else pays shit
    Nov 4, 2018 5
    • New / Eng
      remus808

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      No amount of money could convince me to live in Zurich, sorry
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      xevb3k

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      xevb3kmore
      How so?
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Igneous Systems / Eng tagrag
      I'm also curious
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Xxyyzz11

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      Xxyyzz11more
      Zurich is one of the most expensive cities in Europe. Based on two visits.
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Square centralser
      Zurich is boring AF
      Nov 6, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng RandFace
    Here is TC from several companies in London (this is based on my and my friend offers).

    Amazon SDE2: £80-100k
    Facebook E4: £125k
    Google T4: £140K
    Nov 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon Daimler
    Great salary for London.How did you go about getting this job?Angelist?
    I’m actively looking for a job in London as well.
    Also did you get your visa ?
    Nov 4, 2018 2
    • New / Eng
      remus808

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      They reached out to me on Hired.com. highly recommend that site for London, got sent a lot of interesting opportunities that way
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Amazon Daimler
      Ah ok thanks!
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng Rustie
    I would say it's good for London. Although if its a startup, the stock options might actually be worth 0.
    Still, £100k base puts you in the top 5% of earners in the country (devs seem to lack that sort of perspective sometimes)
    Nov 4, 2018 1
    • New / Eng
      remus808

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      It's a pretty mature startup so i expect the options to pay off eventually. Do you know roughly what TC is for the high end of E4 at FAANG in London?
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Veritas Garfieldd
    Take home will be 60% upto 150k - if paid standard way, housing will cost you for a London flat 1000-1500, maybe even more. It’s a good salary for over here. Do research on area of London you’d want to stay and its cost of living, if you are prepared to travel in the rent could be a fair bit less. You’d live well over here on that salary. It’s way above average.
    Nov 4, 2018 4
    • Google / Eng Boomerange
      Is it possible to find 3 bed flats for 2000 - 2500 near London? How far would the commute be to central London?
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Veritas Garfieldd
      It’s not easy to answer but the money you’re talking you could find 3 bedrooms house/apartment, but I don’t know where your company would be located - example is which tube stop is it near as that determines how far you could look outside
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Google / Eng Boomerange
      Let’s assume Google for now. I haven’t decided yet.
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Veritas Garfieldd
      2000-3500 would be in the range to get a 3 bedroom flat in kings cross (same area), some more expensive though. Moving out to travel in could save you 1000 easily. Good luck!
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng hussar
    I'm thinking about moving to London as well. Do you mind naming the startup ? I can PM you if you don't want to mention the name here.
    Nov 4, 2018 0
  • Facebook HONa01
    That is a good salary for London. Of your plan is to move to London, it cannot get any better. In Europe, Google Zurich pays a lot better. In FB London, E4 maximum TC is close to 120k GBP including stocks.
    Nov 4, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng hussar
      What's the max TC for E3 ?
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Facebook HONa01
      I think, for E3, it is around 90K GBP. Not sure though as I joined as E4
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Google / Eng Boomerange
      Any idea about E5/E6?
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Adobe cQKG54
    So would fb e6 would be paying 200k£ as TC? I believe e5 range would be 160k£
    Nov 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng RandFace
    I assume this is Improbable, right?
    Nov 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng yourmomsuc
    For the context, new grads at fb in London get salary 50-60k, so your offer is really good
    Nov 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng RandFace
    I have offer to G Zurich now. Not sure that it pays so well. It barely matches my offer to FB London. Recruiter from Google is so greedy.
    Nov 4, 2018 2
    • Google / Eng
      xevb3k

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      I guess you were either low balled or they're starting to catch up with the fact that you don't really have to pay Bay Area level comp in Europe...

      TC, level, yoe, FTE or contractor?
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      Curious about this as well
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Google / Eng Boomerange
    Did you try internally transferring to a team in London? I’m curious if you got any numbers from Google London.
    Nov 4, 2018 0