Is wealth overhyped?

A10 Networks / Eng wpeodokdd
Sep 13, 2018 66 Comments

I started my career with humble beginnings. Fast forward some time and then last week, I finally closed my student loans while having saved some cash for emergency. This is a target that I longed for and I felt accomplished. However, yesterday I felt a sudden drop in dopamine. I started wondering why does everyone praise on getting a job? All I can see is that I can make ends meet. I surely thank my well wishers for that but the question still begs an answer: why does society make it such a big deal out of the ability to pay bills? Do all dreams condense to such a trite experience?
Sure, money enabled me to pay my bills, but why is that ability so coveted?

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  • Glooko / Other azizlight!
    Capitalism got us trapped into thinking we need to earn our right to live comfortably. Those who amass wealth have created a system to sustain their gains and if we all suddenly didn't need to work anymore then their profits/power disappear. Of course then there are the 15% or so of the population who are naturally restless, industrial, and in search of purpose, and they work because they are driven and enjoy working.
    Sep 14, 2018 9
    • Autodesk / Eng
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      ^That is actually profound, maybe we find a middle ground?
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Facebook FBTopAnnon
      Greed is good, better than laziness. It forces us to get out and act, and constantly improve. In its core essence greed is what keeps us alive, otherwise why live or exist? You are greedy for experience, for making a difference, for leaving a legacy, for doing more. Money is just an abstraction that is a storage mechanism of this potential.

      Even the SJW types - they’re greedy for a different target - justice and equality. Money is a leverage multiplier to acquire that outcome. If you’re a greedy SJW, you’ll be more effective than someone who’s not, or someone who’s more content.

      Greed is the essence of desire if you think about it. Don’t demonize it.
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Autodesk / Eng
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      Nothing is good when its too much
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Facebook FBTopAnnon
      How about goodness? Too much good is bad? Don’t throw out dumb platitudes.
      Sep 15, 2018
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      Yes, too much good is then called stupidity
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    MP3

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    It is just culture. American culture is about making something out of yourself, achieving, material wealth, etc. If you’re living in America it will be hard to think outside of this paradigm as everything around you is conditioning you to think in a similar manner.

    Money itself is a human invention, therefore anything to do with money is open for critical examination. A toddler finds ways to be joyful and happy about life even though they do not know language, do not have a concept of self (which is a psychological construct). To put it bluntly - toddlers aren’t aware that there are other ways to be therefore they feel comfortable with simply being as they are.

    You may feel wealthy with a $200k in Eastern Europe, whereas in Silicone Valley you may need $10m, and as an Amazon native you may feel “wealthy” if you have a machete. Wealth is relative to culture, context, group.

    If you have not experienced times of dire need, you may not attribute such importance to being wealthy.
    Sep 13, 2018 13
    • Facebook FBTopAnnon
      It is absolutely relevant. A toddler will die without the benevolent wealth provider (parents) who allow it to “just be”. We don’t have a benevolent wealth provider, and must build wealth as a result. You cannot compare a toddler’s mental state as an aspirational goal for us as grown people without that critical fact, don’t be a dumbass.
      Sep 16, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      My point was that if a toddler is entirely unaware of what wealth is, but an adult is, then the CONCEPT of wealth must be a learned thing. A toddler from a poor family and a rich family will feel the same when it comes to “wealth” because they have no concept of it, their mind literally has not yet developed enough to comprehend such a thing.

      Seeing that specific definition of “wealth” is not an inherent property of the world, but as something you learn as part of growing up, the imprint of your parents’ values, imprint of the values in your culture/society, that is what forms what an adult understands as wealth.

      If money is an invented concept that at some point did not exist, it means it is NOT an inherent property of the world but is a tool, an invention, it can be compared to something like a hammer, fire. Therefore, becoming oriented on TC, on making the most money, cannot be inherently True/Right way to live, but is a personal choice in every way, and this realization can shift how you see money themselves. It gives you the potential to realize that just maybe we shouldn’t be so wasteful with our planet’s resources and consciously change our society to place value on something other than getting that BMW to show that you’ve made it.

      My grandparents firmly believe wealth means being healthy and having healthy kids/parents/relatives. My parents defined wealth as having an abundance of knowledge and experience. The race for making more and more money and acquiring material goods (expensive car, clothes, etc) is something that I simply do not care about because it isn’t part of my own programming. Is it at least partially due to the fact that I didn’t have to starve, didn’t experience poverty in my childhood? Very likely. However, there are people in India who are some of the poorest in the world, live in very polluted environment, and they still find many reasons to be happy, perhaps even more happy than the average American.

      Now please enlighten me what does “A toddler will die without the benevolent wealth provider (parents) who allow it to “just be”.” have anything to do with the point I was trying to make.
      Sep 16, 2018
    • Facebook FBTopAnnon
      You are naive. Of course money is a man made abstraction and must be learned. It is not an emergent property of the world. Duh. Are we discussing at kindergarten cognition levels now? Money is not just a tool to acquire materialistic things, although you can use it as such. Instead, it’s a storage mechanism of potential to acquire whatever you want. It’s a multiplier of your abilities. You could buy knowledge for example by enrolling in courses taught by the best in the field and taking initiative, you could acquire healthcare of the best kind, or you could acquire experiences that are more meaningful to you. It is naive people thinking out of cognitive dissonance that claim money is only materialistic possessions.
      Sep 16, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      If it is at a level of kindergarten cognition, why did it take you such a long time to get it?

      All I said was “Money itself is a human invention, therefore anything to do with money is open for critical examination.”, and the point you’re making perfectly aligns with what I said and I agree with you. My point was that there are people who see money as an end to itself, as a goal in itself, and they do not see it the way you described in your comment.

      That being said, unrelated to my original comment, I am advocating for change society in such a way where money is no longer a thing. I see it as a natural step in evolution of society that is coming about due to technology and technological breakthroughs. Of course, that is not a simple thing to do. Look up Venus Project by Jacque Fresco.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Facebook FBTopAnnon
      “and the point you’re making perfectly aligns with what I said and I agree with you. My point was that there are people who see money as an end to itself, as a goal in itself, and they do not see it the way you described in your comment.”

      Actually I wouldn’t say that they see money as a goal. They see materialism as a goal and it manifests itself as the money minded mindset.
      Sep 17, 2018
  • New / IT sxDz42
    You sound like you've never had to suck a dick to make rent. So I wouldn't expect you to understand. You sound like you haven't been denied anything in life. After that happens. You learn why wealth is nice
    Sep 13, 2018 2
  • Facebook bBcu85
    Dude you were able to save. Not everyone has that luxury. Truly humble - no $ to pay for bills or save - is so stressful, it’s toxic.
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • Autodesk / Eng
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    I have been feeling the same way recently, after spending thousands of dollars for my step dad’s chemo treatments and at the end his body couldnt take it any more, looking back now having money got to our head making us think we could reverse a 4th stage cancer and made him suffer through the treatments because we could afford, i feel like that was so arrogant of me! 🤦‍♀️
    Sep 13, 2018 12
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      Somehow my lessons after everything in life, i could see most things coming, take proper care in planning with meticulousness to make it the best possible thing, life throws such curve balls at you, you only wish you had a clue.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • New DuQvV7x
      Having been through a similar experience, I’m not sure how this was your choice and not his to make.
      Sep 14, 2018
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      It was not my choice, i was just working to pay the bills, i think even he wanted people around him to try everything we would to save him from death. We all are afraid arent we.

      My regret is that i should have provided him with better information about things instead of just money.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • New DuQvV7x
      My uncle had to work even with a terminal lung cancer diagnosis.

      My dad died in a comfortable bed surrounded by his kids who could afford to leave their lives and spend time with him for his final weeks.

      I’m eternally grateful for the freedoms “wealth” affords even if it means I can’t keep everyone alive.

      We all derive different lessons from different circumstances.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Autodesk / Eng
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      Agreed, i guess no can really tell what is the right way of perceiving things, cause no one else would ever know
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Facebook FBTopAnnon
    Money buys you freedom and the ability to guard against risks (e.g. health), allows you to buy more experiences that broke ass folks don’t get. Are you dim witted or what?
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • Snapchat A7sj73
    The haters on this thread haven’t caught up to you on maslow’s hierarchy of needs, OP. Oh, the horror of existence!
    Sep 13, 2018 4
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      I am not sure who on blind introduced me to the maslow’s hierarchy, may be its you. But it was on a different post. I was so glad at least few on blind have the right mindset for me to be able to appreciate this app
      Sep 13, 2018
    • New DuQvV7x
      Are you honestly saying you made it through freshman year without encountering Maslows Heirarchy. What college did you go to?
      Sep 14, 2018
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      I am from India
      Sep 14, 2018
    • New DuQvV7x
      👍
      Sep 14, 2018
  • New Erikg
    It’s called being a responsible adult.
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • Datadog asdfxyz
    money facilitates trade. a free market with prices allows us to discover what consumers value and for producers to meet the needs of consumers and manage scarcity. Without that system we would have no way of knowing this and we would be guessing, resulting in a very inefficient allocation of resources.

    As for jobs, they're one of the primary mechanisms we use to seek the approval of others which is vital for human flourishing. we desire not only to be loved, but to be lovely, and providing a service to others day in and day out is one way to do that.

    To be needed is one of the keys to success in life.
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • TuneIn MguA76
    Those who go on to get more tend to have other motivations on top of food and shelter. There is nothing wrong not having those motivations and focus on life and family.
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn / Data Julsan
    I appreciate having enough money that I don't have to stress about money. Even when I was making $25k/yr, I lived below my means so that I didn't have to stress about money, so it's not like you need big TC to achieve that.

    Nowadays I'm in a much fancier place in life (TC 450k, NW 1.8M), and I do get a lot of satisfaction out of knowing I could retire to somewhere cheap and tell everybody to go fuck themselves anytime if I felt like it. I won't do it, but just knowing that I COULD is what matters to me. That's the ultimate freedom.
    Sep 13, 2018 2
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      Really, isnt that really isolation? You could be saying that now living in a city where nobody cares, with very few good friends with all that money.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      or get sick and have to travel to a thick market to get quality healthcare
      Sep 13, 2018
  • Juniper Poco Loco
    You need money in this country to have a support structure when old. In other countries, you have big families for support. In Nordic countries you have such a hugely strong social welfare program that the stress of old age and not ending up on the street is taken care of. Which is why they have the happiest people on earth in surveys, despite the high tax.
    Sep 14, 2018 2
    • New / Eng RhpJ71
      Nordic countries are blessed with things that significantly help with their happiness. Take away oil, low population density or American defense dominance -- their world would look totally different under Russian rule.
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Facebook FBTopAnnon
      Yes. Dumbass libtards don’t realize this. The oil wealth AFFORDS them the luxury of having a welfare state. A welfare state by itself is cancer and unproductive. It will lead to nations collapsing and social revolt, like in the USSR.
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Google oh hello
    Dude your English is so bad. "The question begs an answer?" LMAO.

    Money = store of value. Who doesn't want to have it. Families, communities, countries fight for money all the time.
    Sep 20, 2018 1
  • New / Eng RhpJ71
    Money is very important: it is the means for you to exchange goods and information with your fellow human beings. Without money society will be chaotic and you will not be happy because you will be unable to build everything that you need.

    That being said, it is good that OP is distinguishing between himself and money. Often times people get so caught up chasing money that more important things living, soul, passion, family, health, etc get lost. Money is important but you and your life is a lot more important. If you feel that chasing money is coming at a great cost then you are doing something wrong.
    Sep 14, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      If what you say is true, then native peoples in Amazonian jungle must live in chaos, cannot build what they need in their community, and aren’t happy because they have no concept of money? What about our ancestors?
      Sep 14, 2018
    • New DuQvV7x
      @mp3 seems to be conflating “money” and “printed currency”

      Here’s a historical primer: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/money/11174013/The-history-of-money-from-barter-to-bitcoin.html
      Sep 14, 2018
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      @DuQvV7x:
      You seem to be conflating money/currency and trade/barter.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • New / Eng RhpJ71
      @mp3: any general argument made with 2 sentences can be broken down when it is placed in the context of extreme circumstances. Barter does not scale to human desire. An individual has the choice to reduce/eliminate desire which translates to reduced dependency on others (eg., live in the American wilderness). Amazonians are an example of a whole society making that choice to reduce desire. The reasons are many -- lack of alternatives, lack of development, or just contentment in status quo. But in the world that we live in, there is a lot of desire and we are accostomed to it. If you remove money from our world it would be utter chaos. Does that context sound more reasonable?
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    Why is the ability to pay your bills coveted? Are you like, 13?
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • Facebook FBTopAnnon
      He is trolling I think
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Airbnb jim.hodlen
    would you rather barter?
    Sep 13, 2018 0

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