Leaving Apple for another company

Apple dddevnull
Sep 5, 2018 28 Comments

I’m an ICT4 at Apple been here 5yrs, base @160k, 280k unvested RSU. Considering an offer at 200k base, 200k RSU, plus a hire-on.

I’d be way happier in the new role as I’ve been shopping around leaving my current team at Apple.

Because of vesting schedules TC is lower in the new role for the first two years.

Thoughts?

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TOP 28 Comments
  • Microsoft benaam
    If u r not happy at ur current role, money is temporary.. U will make up for that by being happier 😉
    Sep 5, 2018 3
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      I hate my current role; re-org ruined my job satisfaction.
      Sep 5, 2018
    • Daimler L33tC0de
      Switch teams?
      Sep 5, 2018
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      I’ve been trying to find something...
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Qualtrics / Ops
    qualtricdo

    Qualtrics Ops

    BIO
    Came from non tech to tech.
    qualtricdomore
    Ask them to match your comp. I recently left a higher comp job for a lower comp job in the first 2 years. Those years have been tough mentally. Make sure you're prepared for the hit if you do it
    Sep 5, 2018 0
  • Cisco / Cust. Srv. desiboysf
    Sounds like an Amazon offer. Don’t do it.
    Sep 5, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    6ixGod

    Microsoft Eng

    BIO
    🍐
    6ixGodmore
    Where at? And is Apple wlb as bad as people say?
    Sep 5, 2018 2
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      I’ve worked in Eddy’s and IS&T at Apple, WLB has never been an issue. I have friends in HWE who work 60-80hours a week. I love Apple as a company, I came here because I wanted to be at Apple. I’m leaving because I’m in a situation where my role changed significantly, my project was sunset in favor of traditional/manual processes. My post re-org role is garbage.
      Sep 5, 2018
    • Apple / Data OE5552
      If you’re in the Biz Ops org under Eddy in Results Way - that organization is toxic and ran by one particularly horrible empire builder. I think you should follow where you find yourself feeling a bit more positive about life and work. If compensation will be higher anyways then there’s not much more to it. Apple is great but heavily dependent on the team and org and leadership that you interact with.
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Apple Dongle@apl
    I am fed up with people treating Apple as a government job - you have been here for 5 years then my take is you have learnt all you needed to about how things are done at Apple.
    If you don’t leave you will not have additional exposure and your career will not grow as quick
    Sep 5, 2018 1
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      It’s starting to feel like a gov job, that’s what scares me. Too many people okay with subpar work, poor managers who say “shut up and color”.
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Apple axelrod
    Don't go to Amazon
    Sep 5, 2018 1
    • Volvo / Eng
      fcvP36

      Volvo Eng

      PRE
      Ericsson
      BIO
      10+ YOE in USA; 4+ globally
      fcvP36more
      Why not ?
      Sep 5, 2018
  • New / Eng :.:.:
    Can you negotiate with the new company to include the missing RSU so you don't get a pay cut?
    Sep 5, 2018 1
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      I think this is a reasonable ask, TC is higher over 5 years at new job, but the first year without vesting stock will be lower.
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Pandora dipthong
    I hate it when people end their posts and emails with ‘Thoughts?’
    Sep 5, 2018 4
    • New / Eng :.:.:
      Your life must be fun if you hate a word
      Sep 5, 2018
    • Pandora dipthong
      I hate myself too.
      Sep 5, 2018
    • New / Eng :.:.:
      Color me surprised.
      Sep 5, 2018
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      I’m looking for input, how are other vested folks handling jumping ship? Would you do it? Am I completely stupid for leaving the Apple security blanket?
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Cadence LFxp63
    Is 200k rsu per year? When do 280k vest? How much is hire-on?
    Sep 5, 2018 1
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      200k hire on RSU, sounds like refreshers are 50-80k, not too different from Apple. Vested over 4 years. Current at Apple is 280 vesting over 4 years as well.
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Facebook bfcc
    Do it if you know you'll be happier. Assuming you had other offers, or are picky about next role if you been shopping around for a while.

    Why the hesitation? Were you expecting way more money?
    Sep 5, 2018 1
    • Apple dddevnull
      OP
      I believe I’ll be happier, better project work, interesting problems, potential career growth. Money isn’t off, it’s just hard to make the plunge knowing the first year or so will be leaner than staying put.
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Apple dddevnull
    OP
    It’s not amazon, it’s not FAANG
    Sep 5, 2018 1
    • Microsoft TC_GTFO
      Yes it is. We know. Confess!
      Sep 5, 2018
  • How do you know you can’t get them to give you 280k RSU or even 320k-400k RSU? Isn’t there still opportunity to negotiate? Why not just say “hey I have thought it over and I am excited about this role, but the one thing I need is 320k RSU because **personal reasons and market value** so if you could get approval for that amount, I would be able to sign”?
    Sep 5, 2018 0
  • Facebook tc320k
    How is TC lower? Does the new stock not vest for two years?
    Sep 5, 2018 0