LinkedIn recruiter lowballing on the level

Facebook really!
Jan 15 67 Comments

I talked to a LinkedIn recruiter regarding interview.

I am currently an E5 at Facebook, whose LinkedIn equivalent is Staff Engineer. (According to levelsfyi)

My yoe is 5 years.

However, she told me that they offer staff only to people with 8+ years of experience.

She told me that if I do really really well in the interviews, they will invite me for additional interviews to test my leadership and mentoring skills.

She has sent me a senior engineer role and wants me to apply for that.

What should I do? Should I just apply or ask her to send me a staff engineer job?

Is she speaking the truth or just lowballing me?

Anyone from FB who went from E5 to LinkedIn staff?

TC: 340k

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TOP 67 Comments
  • LinkedIn SRsbFk
    The recruiter wanted to bring me in as senior but after nailing down the initial rounds, I asked them for staff, so they re interviewed me and invited me to staff onsite which I did well to. After the on-site they gave me some BS feedback like your code don’t have comments and extended a senior offer. I was bored af with my previous job so just took it. And now, the code base I’m working on is not even close to the quality of code that I wrote during the interviews. My work code base don’t have unit tests, no documentation, just spaghetti code for the most part. Now I’m contemplating on why the world is fucked up like this.
    Jan 15 12
    • LinkedIn SRsbFk
      All the best. If you land an offer, buy me a beer ;)
      Jan 15
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Thanks bro, I sure will. You were very helpful man, really appreciate !

      Btw, any tips on system design interview preparation that you can give ?
      Jan 15
    • LinkedIn PlumpyNuts
      You either know it or you don't. Tired of interviewing people who don't know shit except for leetcode
      Jan 16
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Lol why so sour?

      I didn’t say I don’t know system design. It’s one thing to know and another thing to interview (as it involves mostly organized presentation and time management).

      So it doesn’t hurt to ask, in case he knows some good resources that I don’t.

      Why you gotta be so mean about that?
      Jan 16
    • LinkedIn SRsbFk
      DMd the questions I was asked
      Jan 16
  • Microsoft / Eng maison
    They are willing to arrange additional Staff appropriate interviews if you knock the senior interview out of the park, right ? Then what's the problem ?
    Jan 15 4
    • New ghcthj
      Because Linkedin isnt worth that
      Jan 15
    • LinkedIn dadi
      Found a sore LinkedIn reject.
      Jan 15
    • New ghcthj
      More like i rejected linkedin. How’s that shitty new food at sf office treating you?
      Jan 15
    • LinkedIn dadi
      Nice joke.
      Better than most in the area.
      Jan 15
  • Microsoft / Eng xYNx
    that's common. you don't have the yoe for them to consider you a staff. you'd get downleveled at google too.
    Jan 15 6
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      And I think yoe is BS, at FB there are E6s with 5 year experience, E5 with 15 years experience
      Jan 15
    • New ghcthj
      Recruiter is flat lying. Go on Linkedin LOL and see for yourself by searching for staff. Several of my friends have 5 yoe
      Jan 15
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      I see, then should I ask her to send me a staff engineer job position ?
      Jan 15
    • New ghcthj
      I would not even apply
      Jan 15
    • LinkedIn AlanSwift
      There are plenty of Staff at LI with low YOE, but i guarantee they were not hired as Staff. They were hired as Swe or Senior Swe then promoted internally.
      Jan 16
  • New ghcthj
    It’s a step back in all dimensions. Enjoy no laundry and microsoft take over
    Jan 15 1
    • LinkedIn dadi
      I think you are clueless. Some but not all. Food, wlb, equal or better pay based on OP's TC even for srswe, better stock MSFT.
      Jan 15
  • LinkedIn dadi
    Depends on the track. It is not uncommon for inexperienced L5s (g & fb) to come in as Sr Swes to infra. Your TC is medium-high for Sr Swe range as well.
    Jan 15 5
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Levelsfyi shows 260k as TC for senior.

      Anyway, what’s the point of joining if I am getting down leveled?
      Jan 15
    • LinkedIn dadi
      Levels.fyi is not accurate.
      320k as per your previous post is high 3rd quartile in lnkd for Sr Swe in infra, 4th being the highest.
      Lnkd's levels are screwed up. They lack a true L4 which is why high E4s and most E5s get stuffed into Sr Swes (if you look purely at TC). You may say that is because of MSFT stock performance but I know Sr Swes getting 330k offers right now.
      In any case, keep in mind that higher level doesn't mean anything if your TC doesn't keep up. Sr Swe and Staff comp bands have an overlap.
      Jan 16
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Also, my current TC is 340k , in the new job I will look for around 400$

      Since LinkedIn’s level are public, it will hurt me if decide to leave LinkedIn
      Jan 16
    • Facebook yghL37
      Linkedin senior is 4 to low 5 and staff is high E5 to low E6
      Jan 16
    • Morgan Stanley jumpornot
      I guess in lots of companies there are overlap in TC between high level N and level N+1? Why this is deemed as screwed?
      I also expect that it is common to have higher expectation on level N+1 comparing to level N?

      Does LinkedIn do the stack ranking/quintile? It seems lots of tech companies moved away from that.
      Jan 16
  • Google / Eng
    hireable

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    hireablemore
    I'm an L5 (Last perf: SEE) with $430k TC.

    Should I even bother interviewing for Staff at LinkedIn if I won't switch for less than $500k TC?
    Mar 4 4
    • LinkedIn djutthvs
      Your pay is so high
      Mar 5
    • LinkedIn Nik3
      You can try. 450 is definitely possible
      Mar 5
    • Robinhood 94a83d
      @Google when did you join for getting this 430k TC?
      May 28
    • Google / Eng
      sqrt(-1)

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Top Contributor or GTFO
      sqrt(-1)more
      2015
      May 29
  • LinkedIn FrBoye
    New hires don't get staff that easily. Internally, some orgs have easier promo process so you see low experience staff engineers. 340k is definitely on high end for senior, so you can always prove yourself and try to get a promo in the next cycle.
    Jan 15 3
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Well levelsfyi says E5 to be staff.

      So don’t think I will have any trouble performing at that level.

      I am not so worried about the exact TC. Even though my current TC is in high senior range, I might not get enough increment unless I get promoted.

      And promotion is much harder than getting MA at the next level, I have experienced that first hand at FB.

      I had to work really hard and make a lot of impact for promotion to E5, but getting ma after that was a breeze. So wouldn’t take the risk of joining at lower level.

      Promotion is hard at FB which promotes the fastest and likely has the most transparent review system.

      Who knows what bs/politics might be going on at LinkedIn
      Jan 15
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Also, people switch to progress in their career, not to get leveled down, that would be career suicide.

      If I had to work my ass off to get promoted, why would I leetcode hard to undo that promotion?
      Jan 15
    • LinkedIn FrBoye
      Btw which track did you interview in? If you're in the infra track, levels.fyi is not reliable. E5 is still senior. Did you lead any teams at fb? Staff requires proven leadership.
      Jan 16
  • New etJe45
    Lol why you change tc from
    320->340.

    Linkedin is unlikely to give you staff like how Google won't give you l5. People who got staff with 5 yoe were promoted within. I'd say push for staff but I doubt they'll give you it. Senior offer will be around 300k which means you should stay at fb.
    Jan 15 3
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      I made the TC more accurate.

      Also, you seem to be posting a lot of comments on this thread, yet I am not sure which company you work for.

      Your comments are irrelevant and you seem like a troll.
      Jan 15
    • LinkedIn
      pKlN88

      LinkedIn

      PRE
      Goldman Sachs
      pKlN88more
      This
      Jan 15
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Alright, based on the discussion, I will ask the recruiter for staff or gtfo
      Jan 15
  • LinkedIn dadi
    Even getting hired at Staff, for your YoE and current level, it is uncommon to get > 350k TC at LinkedIn.
    Based on how you feel overall in this thread, my suggestion would be for you to take this interview as preparatory and seek out opportunities away from LinkedIn, as you might already be doing.

    Having worked at lnkd and fb, one thing I can say for sure - $/work-effort-stress is higher at lnkd. IOW, if you perform similarly at lnkd, you'll get better TC. Just that most people prefer the wlb because TC is not everything.
    Jan 16 1
    • Microsoft / Eng couscous
      What is the TC range for Staff SWE at LinkedIn ?
      Jan 16
  • LinkedIn okpC64
    Interview and decline the offer.
    Jan 16 0
  • Facebook / Eng
    fb2017

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Google, Oracle
    BIO
    worked at Oracle, then Google, now Facebook.
    fb2017more
    Just tell the recruiter to go f*k ....
    Jan 15 0
  • LinkedIn / Eng dSgvbk
    You’d be surprised to see how mediocre some staff engineers are at LinkedIn. Ask for staff or tell the recruiter to go fuck herself.
    May 28 3
    • Robinhood paper$$$$
      Mind elaborating a bit more? And what are those teams?
      May 28
    • LinkedIn / Eng dSgvbk
      Do you want names too?
      May 28
    • Robinhood paper$$$$
      Disclosing their names might be too much. Was just curious how the bar differs across teams.
      May 29
  • You work at Facebook, the most over-rated place in the valley. Everybody knows it and puts you back in your proper place when you leave. You live in a bubble, deal with it. Every Facebook employee is ranked +1 above where they belong ...
    Jan 17 1
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Says a guy who works at a no-name company. Jealousy huh..,
      Jan 17
  • LinkedIn PlumpyNuts
    Take the interview, if you do great then they may give you a followup to bump you up a level. Followup usually is just a phone interview.
    Jan 16 1
    • Facebook really!
      OP
      Actually I don’t think I will ever join at Senior engineer level as that would mean undoing my promotion at FB.

      I told the recruiter that I can only interview for staff, and she agreed to send me a staff opening.

      The extra interview isn’t worth the hassle for me, I am already pretty tight on time due to too many interviews
      Jan 16
  • Oath SyUs82
    My friend with 6 years of experience is a staff engineer at LinkedIn
    Jan 15 1
    • Uber jingling
      I know an eng 3 years out of undergrad that’s staff. Know another one 5 years out of ms that’s sr staff. Both infra. No other job experience, and no significant deliveries as far as I know.
      Jan 16
  • Robinhood 94a83d
    Curious if OP did get the staff offer at LinkedIn? What’s the TC?
    May 28 0
  • Uber jingling
    It benefits them to downlevel you if they can. Recruiters even brag about how they can close candidates with little. If you have the patience go to the interview with a smile, do well and see what happens. I don’t think you can change recruiter’s mind. I would never join at L4 because if you feel bad now you will feel much worse once you see how leveling works at LI.
    Jan 16 0
  • LinkedIn / Other T%nt0wn
    If the offer is 400k, go for work life balance.
    Jan 16 0
  • LinkedIn PESn67
    Yes this is common. The leveling bar IMO is vastly different for external and internal candidates. I don't think you would be offered a staff even if you meet the bar for a staff, perhaps maybe if you knock it out of the park.
    Jan 16 0
  • LinkedIn GDghj
    You should definitely go for staff. LinkedIn senior is highly unlikely to get 340k tc. Not worth it for FB E5
    Jan 15 0

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