I talked to a LinkedIn recruiter regarding interview.
I am currently an E5 at Facebook, whose LinkedIn equivalent is Staff Engineer. (According to levelsfyi)
My yoe is 5 years.
However, she told me that they offer staff only to people with 8+ years of experience.
She told me that if I do really really well in the interviews, they will invite me for additional interviews to test my leadership and mentoring skills.
She has sent me a senior engineer role and wants me to apply for that.
What should I do? Should I just apply or ask her to send me a staff engineer job?
Is she speaking the truth or just lowballing me?
Anyone from FB who went from E5 to LinkedIn staff?
I talked to a LinkedIn recruiter regarding interview.
- LinkedIn SRsbFkThe recruiter wanted to bring me in as senior but after nailing down the initial rounds, I asked them for staff, so they re interviewed me and invited me to staff onsite which I did well to. After the on-site they gave me some BS feedback like your code don’t have comments and extended a senior offer. I was bored af with my previous job so just took it. And now, the code base I’m working on is not even close to the quality of code that I wrote during the interviews. My work code base don’t have unit tests, no documentation, just spaghetti code for the most part. Now I’m contemplating on why the world is fucked up like this.
- Lol why so sour?
I didn’t say I don’t know system design. It’s one thing to know and another thing to interview (as it involves mostly organized presentation and time management).
So it doesn’t hurt to ask, in case he knows some good resources that I don’t.
Why you gotta be so mean about that?
- Microsoft / Eng maisonThey are willing to arrange additional Staff appropriate interviews if you knock the senior interview out of the park, right ? Then what's the problem ?
- Microsoft / Eng xYNxthat's common. you don't have the yoe for them to consider you a staff. you'd get downleveled at google too.
- Depends on the track. It is not uncommon for inexperienced L5s (g & fb) to come in as Sr Swes to infra. Your TC is medium-high for Sr Swe range as well.
- Levels.fyi is not accurate.
320k as per your previous post is high 3rd quartile in lnkd for Sr Swe in infra, 4th being the highest.
Lnkd's levels are screwed up. They lack a true L4 which is why high E4s and most E5s get stuffed into Sr Swes (if you look purely at TC). You may say that is because of MSFT stock performance but I know Sr Swes getting 330k offers right now.
In any case, keep in mind that higher level doesn't mean anything if your TC doesn't keep up. Sr Swe and Staff comp bands have an overlap.
- Morgan Stanley jumpornotI guess in lots of companies there are overlap in TC between high level N and level N+1? Why this is deemed as screwed?
I also expect that it is common to have higher expectation on level N+1 comparing to level N?
Does LinkedIn do the stack ranking/quintile? It seems lots of tech companies moved away from that.
- Google / Eng hireablemoreI'm an L5 (Last perf: SEE) with $430k TC.
Should I even bother interviewing for Staff at LinkedIn if I won't switch for less than $500k TC?
- New hires don't get staff that easily. Internally, some orgs have easier promo process so you see low experience staff engineers. 340k is definitely on high end for senior, so you can always prove yourself and try to get a promo in the next cycle.
- Well levelsfyi says E5 to be staff.
So don’t think I will have any trouble performing at that level.
I am not so worried about the exact TC. Even though my current TC is in high senior range, I might not get enough increment unless I get promoted.
And promotion is much harder than getting MA at the next level, I have experienced that first hand at FB.
I had to work really hard and make a lot of impact for promotion to E5, but getting ma after that was a breeze. So wouldn’t take the risk of joining at lower level.
Promotion is hard at FB which promotes the fastest and likely has the most transparent review system.
Who knows what bs/politics might be going on at LinkedInJan 15 1
- New etJe45Lol why you change tc from
Linkedin is unlikely to give you staff like how Google won't give you l5. People who got staff with 5 yoe were promoted within. I'd say push for staff but I doubt they'll give you it. Senior offer will be around 300k which means you should stay at fb.
- Even getting hired at Staff, for your YoE and current level, it is uncommon to get > 350k TC at LinkedIn.
Based on how you feel overall in this thread, my suggestion would be for you to take this interview as preparatory and seek out opportunities away from LinkedIn, as you might already be doing.
Having worked at lnkd and fb, one thing I can say for sure - $/work-effort-stress is higher at lnkd. IOW, if you perform similarly at lnkd, you'll get better TC. Just that most people prefer the wlb because TC is not everything.
- You’d be surprised to see how mediocre some staff engineers are at LinkedIn. Ask for staff or tell the recruiter to go fuck herself.
- New goodgulfYou work at Facebook, the most over-rated place in the valley. Everybody knows it and puts you back in your proper place when you leave. You live in a bubble, deal with it. Every Facebook employee is ranked +1 above where they belong ...
- Take the interview, if you do great then they may give you a followup to bump you up a level. Followup usually is just a phone interview.
- Actually I don’t think I will ever join at Senior engineer level as that would mean undoing my promotion at FB.
I told the recruiter that I can only interview for staff, and she agreed to send me a staff opening.
The extra interview isn’t worth the hassle for me, I am already pretty tight on time due to too many interviews
- It benefits them to downlevel you if they can. Recruiters even brag about how they can close candidates with little. If you have the patience go to the interview with a smile, do well and see what happens. I don’t think you can change recruiter’s mind. I would never join at L4 because if you feel bad now you will feel much worse once you see how leveling works at LI.