Lying about Present Salary

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Jul 20, 2017 58 Comments

A friend who interviewed recently lied about his salary. His interview went well and he had been offered what he wanted. He is a US Citizen, so no payslips needed for H1 transfer. Would it be an issue. Thanks

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  • BT bjor13
    Why is what your old employer paid you the starting point of the pay scale? Your friend should ask what they paid the last person. I bet they don't answer.......
    Jul 20, 2017 1
  • Microsoft Foreach
    It's easy to get salary from your tax reports during a background check. They need to check if you broke tax laws previously, right?
    Jul 20, 2017 5
    • Microsoft Laksjd
      I don't think you know what you're talking about.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • Google EasyE
      Tax returns are private. I know because of Donald Trump
      Jul 20, 2017
    • Microsoft Foreach
      Nobody forced him to consent a background check for employment. And when people asked for a consent, he refused with an excuse. When your employer asks your consent for a background check, can you refuse? Sad to be an employee, instead of a boss. No privacy.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • Gen!x / Eng
      ixptl12

      Gen!x Eng

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      ixptl12more
      No, it isn’t. Your tax returns do not reflect deferred comp plans, profit share incentives and RSU till issued.

      And @EasyE is wrong but not touching that one..
      Sep 12, 2017
    • T-Mobile / Eng CaesarKoba
      My background check from the last couple years never showed the new company my salary because you get a full copy of it on request.
      Sep 21, 2017
  • Snapchat / Eng
    jujj

    Snapchat Eng

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    jujjmore
    it probably won't run him into trouble, but this can easily be avoided. if someone asks you what your current salary, is simply reply "I expect my salary to reach X by next year"
    Jul 20, 2017 2
    • Snapchat SnapBack
      Easy to type, harder to say
      Jul 20, 2017
    • Snapchat / Eng
      jujj

      Snapchat Eng

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      jujjmore
      Have said it a few times in interviews. Not that hard.
      Jul 20, 2017
  • LinkedIn richi
    Be careful with this. Someone showed me their background check, and it had exact salary of previous positions. If you get caught telling lies, could be bad. Still surprised that background checks raised salary data...
    Jul 20, 2017 12
    • New / Eng lokkju
      Lots of public sources for household income, at the least; and that only requires an address.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • New xznC41
      I did a background check that checked salary. I had to give phone numbers or w2s for places I worked.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • Cisco zoomzoom
      Maybe your friend provided previous pay slips and forgot about it.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • BigCommerce ontimethin
      for my current job when I was interviewing I told them that my job at the time was about to bump me up to X if I were willing to stay. it's not official so they really can't verify it. if you've gotten them to trust you enough to want to make an offer it might work.
      Jul 23, 2017
    • Compology pFpl11
      Ive grabbed a copy of my BG check every time they've done one (3 times over thr years) and salary has always been missing
      Aug 12, 2017
  • Cisco / Mgmt Kil'ka
    Just tell that he calculated the total comp with all perks and have the calculation ready
    Jul 20, 2017 2
    • Cisco zoomzoom
      This is probably the best way
      Jul 20, 2017
    • Nationwide Insurance syl
      exactly this. Total Comp. At Nationwide they even give us the number every year. It helps them justify paying lower than industry standard salary.
      Jul 24, 2017
  • New Philly
    1. Never lie about this. Instead pivot the question into what range you're looking to make in your next role. And add to it. If you currently make $100, say "in my next role I'm looking to make $130-160". You haven't lied, and yet you're looking for that 20% bump minimum (if they come back lower than your range)
    2. If an employer asked me for my W2 to verify, I'm walking. My earning history is only a way for them to devalue my contributions and possibly pay less for a valued role at their company. This is especially true for women who are underpaid to begin with and will NEVER get over the hump with these crap tactics.
    Jul 21, 2017 0
  • PayPal / Eng
    Sunshine-

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    Sunshine-more
    Base salary part may be easy to verify.. But a huge portion of the salary is stock, Bonuses, RSU etc.. Those are not easy to qualify..
    Jul 20, 2017 0
  • New / Eng
    Ybzh51

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    Ybzh51more
    Many places view it like this: if you're willing to lie to line your pockets, how do we know you won't steal, or sell trade secrets, or sell us out to competitors? If he is found out, which is not at all impossible, he will have possibly have made a seriously career-limiting, or ending, decision.
    Jul 20, 2017 3
    • New / Mgmt
      kTaw56

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      kTaw56more
      If you are willing to speed on a freeway, how do we know you aren't a serial killer?

      If you have a dick.. you might be a serial rapist !
      Jul 20, 2017
    • New / Eng Hunnish
      Overstating it. Worse case is that you get turned down during background check and have to apply to other jobs.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • New / Eng
      Ybzh51

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      Ybzh51more
      You're underestimating the amount managers talk to each other. If you're turned down for lying, it's likely to get around. Why risk it? Negotiate better, or leverage up somewhere new in a year or so.
      Jul 20, 2017
  • New / Eng
    Ybzh51

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    Ybzh51more
    No one is holding a gun to your head when they ask previous salary. Start with "when we get to that point, we can talk about compensation. I'm expecting you'll make an offer that matches a current reasonable salary for the position and my abilities.." Then you stop talking. If they insist, stick with it. You want to make them name a number first. They're trying to get you to do the same. If they insist, then use your Glassdoor research to name a salary they're paying plus a chunk as your starting point - "Well, based on my research, I think I'm worth X in this position. What would you like to offer?" and see how it goes. If they accept your offer, you were low, and can use that when your next salary action comes up.
    Jul 20, 2017 2
    • New / Eng Hunnish
      Great advice but glassdoor is low. Blind is the only source of accurate data that I've seen.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • New / Eng
      Ybzh51

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      Ybzh51more
      Okay, s/Glassdoor/Blind/ and execute. :)
      Jul 20, 2017
  • Twitter tzzJ62
    Stupid to lie on a question you dont have to answer and is only a small portion of total comp. Can only get you rejected.
    Jul 20, 2017 3
    • Cisco / Product
      how abt lying on the RSU'S ?
      Jul 20, 2017
    • New / Eng
      Ybzh51

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      Just. Don't. Lie.
      Jul 20, 2017
    • Cisco / Product
      it's tough that your current low-ball comp will create a ripple of lowballing everywhere
      Jul 20, 2017
  • Gartner Jenno
    Maybe I'm bad at this, but I've never been able to pivot successfully unless I walk from the opportunity. Recruiters straight up tell me they need this info first round to proceed, and at offer time ask for a previous Paystub/W2. May be a side-affect of being a woman.
    Jul 21, 2017 1
    • New / Mgmt zX27dH
      Recruiters tend to want this as they generally know the salary range for positions they are filling, even if those ranges are not posted. So the recruiters don't want to push and advance a candidate that would be way above the range, as in the end there will never be an offer and they will not get their commission.

      With applying directly and not through a recruiter, you have more wiggle room as salary probably won't come up till you are close to an offer.
      Jul 21, 2017
  • Gen!x / Eng
    ixptl12

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    ixptl12more
    Don’t you dare.

    Your company will never lie to you. Has your best interest at heart. And will always do right by you first and then their customers.

    /s for the slow ones...
    Sep 12, 2017 0
  • Zymergen / Eng nBow31
    This is why for my first ever job I went with the highest bidder instead of drinking the cool-aid of a tech company that thought I should take a lower salary just for the privilege of working for them. Your first salary factors into your second. Whether we like it or not, it's how the world generally works because HR people don't want to figure out how much someone is worth. They just figure the company before them did a decent job of it and so they take that number and just bump it up a bit. Unless you're switching into a very different field or role at a vastly richer company you're always going to be pegged somewhere at the market rate.
    Jul 20, 2017 0
  • New / Eng Hunnish
    At microsoft use the number from the projection tool on hrweb, it inflates it
    Jul 20, 2017 0
  • New / Mgmt RRJi62
    Background checks can pull previous salaries. Most companies make their offers contingent on clear reports. Lying about this will bite them in the end.
    Sep 6, 2017 1
    • Gen!x / Eng
      ixptl12

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      ixptl12more
      Made up “facts” like this rile me.

      Background check of what agency returns salary history?

      Please, I really really want to know.
      Sep 12, 2017
  • Mixpanel mp13
    Have fired in the past for lying about salary when the background check didn't match. In SF they can't ask your current salary and no matter where you are turn the conversation to what your expectations are vs your previous salary.
    Jul 21, 2017 1
    • Gen!x / Eng
      ixptl12

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      ixptl12more
      Can you PM me the service you used to run the background check?
      Sep 12, 2017
  • Cisco zoomzoom
    Are you on H1 or L? If so that's probably why they asked for it.
    Jul 20, 2017 1
    • ATP / Mgmt Nab
      nope, they just wanted to use it to make a crappy offer.
      Jul 20, 2017
  • NetApp junkie
    First one to bring up a salary number loses. Lying with a number is guessing what the other side will tolerate.

    It is a gamble. Not a bad idea.

    Rather trying and figure out more before making a possible bad guess -- which may be on their records for another year or two
    Jul 21, 2017 0
  • Cisco +nt-ispklm
    “a friend”
    Jul 21, 2017 0
  • New / Mgmt zX27dH
    Don't lie. If an offer is made, many companies then run a background and employment verification check with the offer being contingent on passing. If the check turns out you lied about your titles, or how you left a company, or salary history, it can mean the offer is yanked, or that you end up at the company but HR and the management never quite trusts you (but never tell you why).
    Jul 21, 2017 0