MSFT SDE 2 offer negotiation help

Apr 18 26 Comments

Hi Blind

I received an offer from MS for SDE 2(61).

base 135K
stock 75K
bonus 0 - 20%
Signing bonus 40K (20k year 1, 20K year 2)

TC: 187K (year 1, 2) 167K (year 3,4)

I had a very strong interview performance and I have 5 years of relevant work experience. I feel this is a downlevel for me.

I am waiting on the results of some other interviews. I am very well prepared and not done with FAANG yet.

Is there room for negotiation?

Any help is appreciated.

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  • Microsoft lMQO62
    This is the current standard offer for L61. I got the same thing. With competing offer I received 150k stock, 135 base, and 40k sign on (two years). 3yoe.

    They can go higher than 135 on base but will require special permission for the recruiter to raise it and will require competing offer justification. Same story for stock over ~75k, but it’s easier to get approved.

    Also where the competing offer comes from matters. If it’s from Facebook google or Netflix you will have an easy negotiation.
    Apr 18 4
    • Amazon oclue
      Hey is this for l61? How many yoe u have. Also how mich annual tc does this translates to
      Apr 18
    • Microsoft lMQO62
      I answered all your questions already o_o
      Apr 18
    • Microsoft TcqR08
      How did you prove competing offers? Did you have to forward email offers?
      Apr 20
    • Microsoft JT907!
      I didn’t prove anything. I just said I had them
      Apr 20
  • Cisco pista
    If you don’t have competing offers, you would probably not get next level(62). Else there is some risk if you decide to walk away and not take this one
    Apr 18 0
  • Microsoft 8k7hjh
    Why do you think it is a down level. What hot stuff did you do in your 5 yoe to warrant better?
    Apr 18 3
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      He doesn’t need to do hot shit to get a better offer. You just need to know how to negotiate well.
      Apr 18
    • Microsoft 8k7hjh
      Op says it is a downlevel, perhaps the level is correct.
      Apr 18
    • Microsoft / Eng Yurt
      Better offer: yes. Higher level: you need to have done enough to warrent it.
      Apr 19
  • Intel bayman
    Location?
    Apr 18 3
    • OP
      Redmond
      Apr 18
    • Intel bayman
      It’s a good offer for Redmond and decent one for Bay Area
      Apr 18
    • Amazon DaReelReal
      My L62 3 YoE PM II offer is 33% higher but it's for Bay area and i did kill it
      Apr 18
  • Oath / Mgmt Atinlay2
    There’s nothing wrong with that offer for your yoe.
    Apr 18 0
  • Amazon oclue
    What level 200-230k translates at Microsoft? L62? Im sde 2 at amazon with 200k tc with overall 8 yoe and want to try at Msft after 2 more years.
    Apr 18 9
    • Microsoft eqxK04
      230k sounds closer to 63
      Apr 18
    • Microsoft / Eng Yurt
      For external hires this year comp maxes out as follows:
      L62: 250K
      L63: 320k
      L64: 390k

      These are what we call tier III offers. Beyond this you'd need CVP approval which is very unlikely.
      Apr 19
    • Microsoft / Eng Yurt
      Sustained comp is different than this comp which you'd get for the first 4 years. After that you can still have the same comp if you get a ton of SSAs.
      Apr 19
    • Microsoft / Eng Yurt
      In my case, I'm 63 and make 266k after 6 years at Microsoft.
      Apr 19
    • Amazon oclue
      Yurt. Tgat seems too high. I thought msft pays lower than amazon. I thought l62 maxes or avgs at 185. While sde 2 at amazon is more like 220 avg
      Apr 19
    • Microsoft / Eng Yurt
      That's sustained pay, the pay you get without the stock you get when you join. Amazon TCT for SDE 2 ranges from 180k to 240k as well but you'd get way more if you were a new hire who they really wanted. Sustained pay for L62s is close to 180k and L63s is close to 220k.
      Apr 19
    • Microsoft / Eng Yurt
      And if you get Special Stock Awards, all bets are off. I've got two. Last year all SDEs got a SSA. I think it was about 65k for L62.
      Apr 19
    • Amazon oclue
      So if i join msft after 2 years. With 4 yoe at amazon and total 10 yoe what will be my level and what tc to expect? Im currently 200k, but in next 2 years ill be higher like 230k coz stock inflation. Year 5 ill be back to 200k something so i wanna quit this shit hole amazon.
      Apr 19
    • Microsoft / Eng Yurt
      You could get L63 with a 270k offer or L64 with close to 300k. If the current trend of SSAs continues, you'll be able to maintain that comp.
      Apr 20
  • Citrix Systems / Eng peda
    Good offer !!
    Apr 18 0

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