Masters New grad offer for Microsoft Redmond, WA

Yelp bigPanda
Oct 8, 2018 28 Comments

Hi,
I am posting for a friend. He cleared Microsoft interviews about 3 weeks back for one of the Azure teams. Location is Redmond, WA. He will join in 2019 as a new grad. Following are the numbers given to him:
Base: $108k
Stock: $115k over 3.5 yrs
Joining+relocation: $20k
Previous to grad school, he has a rich work experience of 2 yrs at a startup in India.
Is he being low-balled? How much is the scope for negotiation, esp base?

Edit:
Can he join at level 61 as a new grad with experience and details as mentioned in the initial post?

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  • Starbucks qJxA27
    Does Microsoft offer the same base to bachelors and masters new grads?
    Oct 8, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Not usually. It depends on interview performance more than degree though. I've seen college hires absolutely crush and get offered l61 and people with phds get offered l59. People with phds who crush, that were previous interns and have a competing faang offer do really well.
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    Base will be same, no point of negotiating unless they are willing to give for 60, instead of 59.
    There is room for negotiation in stocks and cash bonus, but this looks like pretty good offer to me, better than the standard ones for new grads. Looks like he had pretty good interview
    Oct 8, 2018 0
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    This is an l59 offer (108 base). Unless you can get them to reconsider and give you l60 (which masters recruits often are), base is probably not negotiable (outside chance of getting 113). Joining/reloc of 20 is low, 115 stock is actually pretty good for l59 not a returning intern and without faang compete. I'd see if theyll go for a 60 offer and push up that base since your friend is a masters grad.
    Oct 8, 2018 3
    • Yelp bigPanda
      OP
      Thanks @DOyu71! I thought so too that it was an l59 offer. But I was surprised they were offering l59 to a masters grad. The interview performance was strong as per the hr.
      Oct 8, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      That is odd, I agree. Especially if hr is not pulling your friend's leg and the feedback was strong. I would say something like "I know other masters hires get l60 and I had strong interview feedback so I want l60." Similarly with sign on 40-50k is fairly common so maybe push for that. The downside is your friend may have to make q decision if they come back and say no dice but they have to appear as if they will walk if they dont get a bump. It can be a tricky balance.
      Oct 8, 2018
    • Yelp bigPanda
      OP
      @DOyu71 Yes, the feedback given was in written in email that the interview feedback was strong. I need to correct the base offered is $109k. Is it still l59? What would be a realistic level and package to ask for?
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Microsoft tingtang
    Average offer IMHO. I think the sign on bonus has room for negotiation.
    Oct 8, 2018 0
  • Microsoft ZZZ 321
    College offers are not negotiable in base. They can ask for more stock or SB but that comes out of the hiring teams budget. The recruiter will need to be prepared to make a case to the hiring team on the unique or special skills this candidate can bring over another candidate. Don’t be fooled. The recruiter has no say... this is all up to the hiring team. Note ,college hire stock does vest at 3.5 years which is slightly faster than an experienced candidate.
    Oct 8, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng FytA70
    I was a Bachelor's only and I got more sign and stock
    Oct 8, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng TravelOne
      Congrats!
      Oct 8, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Returning intern or faang compete?
      Oct 8, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng FytA70
      Compete
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Cisco lwac86
    Okay, will have to ask that. I remember her telling 0-20%. Thanks !!!
    Oct 8, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Target is 10% for all levels up to 63 where it shifts to 15%, then 20% at 65/66 and 30% at 67.
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Cisco lwac86
    It says from 0-20%
    Oct 8, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng Arye11
      It’s 10% for his level
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Cisco lwac86
    there is a competing offer for 135k in the Bay Area. Would that help in negotiating? If so what would be best way to put this forward ?
    Oct 8, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      135 in the bay area is unlikely to help.
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Veritas / Eng
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    What's the level being offered? All the components can be negotiated based on your explanation of the candidate.
    Oct 8, 2018 1
    • Yelp bigPanda
      OP
      The level was not told to her.
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Yelp bigPanda
    OP
    Can he join at level 61 as a new grad with experience and details as mentioned in the initial post?
    Oct 8, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng Dr. 13
      Unlikely unless he utterly destroyed the interview. 60 is possible though
      Oct 8, 2018
  • Leanplum HLHL15
    My friends from school got that same offer, but graduated with Bachelor’s.
    Oct 8, 2018 0
  • Yelp bigPanda
    OP
    It is masters degree. Updated the post to reflect that.
    Oct 8, 2018 0
  • Starbucks qJxA27
    Is this masters or bachelors new grad?
    Oct 8, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng TravelOne
    It's a good offer
    Oct 8, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Dr. 13
    Better than the offer I got, and I came in at 60 though that was years ago
    Oct 8, 2018 0

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