Master/slave

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Aug 21, 2018 36 Comments

Twitter feed reminds me again that master/slave terminology is racist and offensive to black people. But there were white slaves of black people, white slave of whites, blacks slaves of blacks, white slaves of Muslims and all other possible combinations (Wikipedia “White Slavery”). But why only black people are offended?

I guess people of color do not care much.

The only people offended are Californian social justice warriors.

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TOP 36 Comments
  • Microsoft / Eng FwwQ08
    I mean, are leader/replica (for example) so difficult to use? Those names are more descriptive IMO than master/slave. Even so, given no difficulty between the two, why would you want to choose the terms that people tell you are hurtful?

    Assuming this isn't a poor troll, that is.
    Aug 21, 2018 10
    • Google Heieiwkhsh
      I will listen, but I will not tolerate anyone compelling me to censor myself due to a non-issue or micro-aggression.

      I am fine if someone calls it primary and replica. I am not fine with compelled speech.
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Amazon
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      kattownsmore
      But it’s not only used in the Leader Replica context. What do you call a master-slave latch to not hurt anyone’s feelings?
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Amazon 5lxCeaHxw3
      What do you call an asshole not to hurt anyone ‘s feelings?.. 🤔
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Nutanix Clay
      Are male / female connectors still ok to use electrical engineering or should we revise those as well?
      Aug 22, 2018
  • Google sosjf
    how about blacklist and whitelist
    Aug 21, 2018 5
    • Google GoldenGod
      Wow. This never even crossed my mind until now. Great call 👍
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Microsoft fmma74
      My manager uses “blocklist” instead of “blacklist” for this reason 👌
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Google GoldenGod
      What term are you referring to SickM? Sosjf said blacklist and whitelist
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Cruise Automation SickMoFo
      Blacklist specifically. Not sure when whitelist came about but i am pretty sure it has nothing to do with 1488. So you can stop with your self flagellation on this one
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Google GoldenGod
      Lol. Trust me, I’m not beating myself up over it. I was intrigued because it seemed plausible there was correlation between the two. I stand corrected. So you can stop with your angry blind persona now.
      Aug 23, 2018
  • Lending Club sparky3000
    While this is true it’s largely that blacks being slaves is the most relevant to our current social/political discussion.

    For one, black slavery is still in memory and the racism that was used to justify slavery persisted in the form of segregation till recently. It’s really crazy just how recent the civil right movement was. And even still black people are branded as felons and spend a long time in jail for a crumb of weed. That brockman swimmer rapist dude only spent a fraction of that for sexual assault. Without a single shred of doubt, if he was a large black dude who raped a woman he would not get that kind of easy treatment

    And secondly, it’s in very recent history. We often talk about the legacy of the romans or mongols when their legacy was spread by raping tons of women, killing tons of men, and burning down villages. Yet we casually talk about their “legacy”. Imagine someone talking about “legacy of hitler”. It wouldn’t be appropriate because the holocaust was very recent and many survivors are still alive today. Historical context is really important
    Aug 21, 2018 3
  • Gap / Eng randUser
    Yeah I always feel weird when I used Jenkins
    Aug 21, 2018 3
    • Google GoldenGod
      LEEROYYYYYYY
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Google Heieiwkhsh
      At least he has some chicken...
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Gap / Eng randUser
      At least I aint chicken
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Google GoldenGod
    How about red card and yellow card! I’m outraged!
    Aug 21, 2018 1
    • Salesforce _ohana_
      As an Asian I’m offended by this
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng onMyWay
    There was a student in one of my lectures a few years back that stood up and challenged the professor for using that terminology.

    Dude was white lol
    Aug 21, 2018 1
    • Amazon gKoV81
      They always are
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Intel Noneubiz
    And blacks were first slaves of blacks and then sold their prisoners to Europeans. And a little over 200 years whites stopped the practice. So why are whites always at fault doe the history? Fkn stupid
    Aug 21, 2018 2
    • Amazon 5lxCeaHxw3
      A little detail of making slavery a hereditary state and dehumanizing the oppressed.
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Yeah, new world slave-trade was qualitatively different than older slavery in Europe or Africa. It was more like conscription or even being a prisoner of war. This isn’t to say that ancient slavery couldn’t be brutal - especially in empires. But until the slave trade made human flesh a commodity, slavery was a caste, not a racial designation.

      In the Brithish new world colonies including the future US, slavery also wasn’t racial at first. Some freed blacks bought black slaves in the early history of North American colonies. But as populations grew and life expectancy improved, slavery became racialized and different laws were created for slaves as well as laws preventing white servants from associating or marrying black slaves developed.

      This was not done by “white people” because no concept existed at that time. This was done by wealthy ruling elites in response to revolts by black slaves and white servants. Many middle-level whites owned a couple of slaves, poorer whites would be encouraged to act as vigilante slave catchers, but for the most part the system was driven and run by a small but wealthy and powerful planter class.

      It was through this process of creating different legal statuses and rights that the concept of “white” and “black” developed in North America because to be a slave was to be black and to be black was to be a slave; to be white was to be a citizen. This was followed by Jim Crow which also set up a lower level of legal status that remained in effect until about your parent’s generation.

      So that’s probably why black people would correctly be upset by flippant remarks about slavery-in the US and in other parts of the Americas slavery and ethnicity became linked.
      Aug 25, 2018
  • Google ⬜️
    Americans are touchy 🤷‍♀️
    Aug 21, 2018 0
  • Zillow Group ENOENT
    Please stop this madness
    Aug 21, 2018 0
  • Microsoft be_leetin
    I will never use red black trees to balance a BST for this very reason.. will always use the more inclusive AVL tree..
    Aug 21, 2018 1
    • Facebook iFWQ37
      OP
      AVL is named after two Jews (or half-jews). Is that inclusion? I don’t think so.
      Aug 21, 2018

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