Let’s all mutually agree that Indian consultancy companies screwed s*** up in the first place and they are still screwing this s***. So can we all mutually agree that those exploiting the system should be removed from the system of H-1B and GC? Next, every talented individual should get an opportunity for GC, irrespective of where they are from, and irrespective of their field. Come on folks, engineers aren’t the only people in this country. Now, let’s not report those posts that are expressing their views against 1044. If you’re not in a position to hear the thoughts of others and are blindly shoving your opinions then you Sir are definitely not the right person for this country. When you are in a country, respect their views. Coming back to those who oppose 1044, do you guys empathize with fellas who went to Stanford, Harvard and other good schools but struggling daily under the fear that they are not welcomed into the country and questioning their judgement about coming to top schools just for better opportunities? (Not talking about consultancy companies who are still abusing the system, ffs let’s first have a bill to ban those consultancy firms and let true talent, be it Indians or anyone else) PS: Before people start criticizing me for putting a platform for meaningful discussion, I am an Indian, I am here just like you, I went to top schools in US and still struggling to get H-1B. Oh TC: 165k New TC next month: 265k ( For folks saying my TC is too low, I’m moving for a better TC next month ) YoE: 2 🍿
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Why every individual should get an opportunity for GC irrespective of their field? Please explain, also in terms of precedence, tell us why local/citizens/ higher qualifications holder from “related” domain would be more qualified but would be going in high debt for right set of education, but you feel irrespective of their field non-immigrants should get opportunity to GC(that eventually translates to they shall get GC)? Btw I am also immigrant of color. I feel 1044 should not open flood get blindly while long wait for fellow Indians is not very logical.
I said every “talented” individual. Please read it completely. Those who are truly talented should be given a chance.
Also my friend, I am not opposing or supporting 1044. I am an Indian. The system should be fixed. Starting with stopping those abusing the system. Indians aren’t the problem. Indian consultancy firms are. Anyone that’s abusing the system must be stopped.
Not trying to be sarcastic but your TC explains, not just Indian body shop companies but your organization Oracle is also involved in cheap labor practices, low balling and weren’t there lawsuits over Oracle involved around it? Let’s not make these corporations look saint in front of Indian body shop companies.
FYI, 160k is not shit TC. If you are thinking 160k is too less then I couldn’t even put forward an explanation. There are engineers at other companies making even less. And if my current TC is the problem then I am moving to Facebook for 265k. I’m not talking about how talented I am. Also Oracle doesn’t do shit like Indian consultancy firms. And Oracle is an American corporation. I’m not debating about me here. I’m trying to say let’s stop abusing the system. If you are not in a position to have a meaningful conversation then I can’t even explain.
Again, this is not about you, my apologies if it felt so. But compare your experience, same skills same title in same Oracle with other citizens at same profile, I bet he/she would be making more than 165K. I am not making it up, all lawsuits involving Oracle says so or about the discrimination on similar line. Then isn’t big corporations are also not abusing this system for cheap labor? And it is not even like Whites or particular race is doing discrimination against you, sometime people calling shots over your package would be some HR/top tier director or may be immigrant but it has been a practice to low ball if they know candidates are non-immigrant H1b holder. That is how they replaces citizens with H1b holders. You are not a culprit or cheap but they already made us so, you can argue but that won’t undo this fact.
The goddamn consultancy companies are ruining everyone. At my previous (FAANGM) company I've seen Chinese consultancy companies taking up non essential IT roles - jobs that might otherwise have gone to a half decent highschool American kid. I'd support a points based merit system.
I agree. Let’s not blame Chinese consultancy companies alone. Indian consultancy companies do that as well. A merit based system like you said would work. But I do not know if that will happen in the next decade or so or I maybe wrong. But like you said, the system should not be exploited.
Since the Y2K drama, the H-1B program has become the most fraudulent government program ever.
Fair enough. How can we make it a proper merit based system? Perhaps points based system? More points to those who went to US schools? I’m just wondering how we could improve.
Not a fan or a hater of The President Trump but I think he had already spoke on similar line and I am hoping his administration is inclined toward it. But to start with...could be effective only when H1b floodgates are throttled.
Dude how do you get 265 k TC for 2 YOE ?
Could you focus on the topic rather than the TC? You’d get it if you do well in your interviews.
Dude no matter how well you do but 265 is a distant dream for 5 plus YOE as well
Right now the system is saved from ruin by the "coincidence" that the consulting spam is mostly Indian. I would note it's not only Indian, just mostly, so it has happened that the country cap prevented the spam applications from getting visas. But I think everyone pretty much agrees that this is not fair to the non consultants in the India queue. There are also a few consultants who are highly qualified, even though most are not. What we need is a better filter. Instead of a country of birth filter we need a filter that targets merit more directly. But what I don't want, what will cause harm, is to replace the unfair filter with NO filter. It's better to be unfair than unfiltered. Ideally we amend hr1044 with some rule that excludes the consultants. Either by directly excluding third party employment, or based on salary, or by some kind of points system.
This is a really decent explanation and I agree with you on that front. We need a fair system. We need a way to filter out candidates that are abusing system without any qualifications. The points based system sounds good. It is a pity that nothing can be done on this. I for sure know that 1044 won’t be passed and I’m not supporting or opposing it. Like I said I am an Indian myself and I am here because I went to two good schools. I like your thought process on this issue. I hope government to do something about this.
It is not a coincidence. It is a consequence of per-country limitations. French companies like Capgemini still choose to bring Indians to the US. That sort of consulting model wouldn't exist if they brought people from Eastern Europe or Ukraine, because their employees will leave much sooner. Those count as multiple countries, so it won't create backlogs.
I agree. I only hope the educated people in the politics and industry would combine the efforts for a genuinely good system. But I don’t think that will happen anytime soon.
You mentioned Stanford. What school did you go to?
Stanford. Why does it matter? And I don’t mean to say Stanford alone. I mean all decent schools. I wanted to create a platform where we could all converse and discuss rather than fighting against each other. Cause I know blind community share ideas with each other. So rather than working against each other, we could work together.
Most grad schools in US are shit. They get mediocre talent from India. Not very different than consultants.
TC too low, get back to Leetcode.
Updated my new TC.
Which company?