Opportunity at Apple - Should I take it?

New / Eng Trust Me
Nov 10, 2017 33 Comments

Hello all, just a little background about myself. I graduated as a MechE a few years back and have been working since then. Back in 2016, I got an email from a recruiter at Apple for an Engineering position in a special projects group. I thought things went well but did not end up getting the offer. They said they’d keep me in mind but I thought that was just their generic response.

Surprisingly, I got an email from the same recruiter a few days back saying that another position has opened up in that group and the hiring manager is interested in skipping the phone interview and meeting me directly. However, this time around, according to her, this is for a technician level job and the title is also something Technician-related.

I’m in a dilemma. Apple has been my dream company to work for but I recently got promoted at my current job so I’m not sure if I should go become a Technician there. I’m worried about the impact on my career trajectory and how it would look on my resume.

Please help me! I agreed to have an interview again to learn more about the position but also suggested a phone interview so that I can see if it’s a good fit for MY needs. What should I do?

EDIT: I forgot to mention that this might be in the same neighborhood of my current salary but she said I'd be hourly, so there could be overtime pay as well. Seems like a good and a bad thing. I get more if I work more, but then I'd have to work more than 40 hours for it to be any meaningful pay increase. Also, this is for the swing shift, so not sure how I feel about that.

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  • Amazon jeff be
    If that is your dream go for it. You would not have regerets when you would grow older. All the best for your interview.
    Nov 10, 2017 12
    • Google / Eng ungoogley
      @everbody can you talk a bit about Apple's promo process? Also, how does Apple's blind section work? Weren't you afraid of even using your Corp email address to verify your account?
      Nov 11, 2017
    • Apple / Eng Everybody
      Apple’s blind section is quieter than others I’ve seen. I’ve seen nothing on there that I’d consider a leak. Mostly personnel gossip and compensation stuff.
      Nov 11, 2017
    • Apple / Eng Everybody
      I’m a little nervous about the email verification. If there ever was a leak from here I could see it resulting in some uncomfortable conversations.
      Nov 11, 2017
    • Apple / Eng Everybody
      Promotion process is pretty straightforward. There’s a set of criteria. Your boss has to convince her boss that you meet those criteria.

      My comment about ICT3 comes from the fact that ICT4 is the first terminal role in the ladder for an individual contributor. A lot of people will never get promoted past 4 and that’s perfectly ok.

      4s who perform well on something important to the organization eventually become 5s.

      Nobody becomes a 6, because being a 6 requires achieving prominence in the industry, and you haven’t achieved prominence in the industry because you’ve been working at Apple and haven’t been able to talk about your work. It’s not really something to worry about. You can get really great compensation as a 4 or a 5.
      Nov 11, 2017
    • Google / Eng ungoogley
      Interesting. Thanks for sharing;
      Nov 12, 2017
  • New kgzI63
    OP here. I had another call with the recruiter and ended up rejecting it, unfortunately. She said there’s no room for growth into an Engineering position and the only career advancement is at the Technician level. I’m the type that likes to grow into bigger and better roles, so I don’t think this would’ve been it.

    Thanks to everyone for the responses and help! I really appreciate every comment ☺
    Nov 14, 2017 2
    • Apple / Eng gwhzmstr
      Came here to tell you, as a hiring manager for SPG, not to take a Technician role if you’re a MechE. Work hard at your current role and reapply for a MechE spot at Apple instead.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • New kgzI63
      Thanks a lot for the response. As hard as it was, I did decline it before the thanksgiving break. Hopefully they’ll reach out again and not take me off their list. I didn’t apply for this role or for the engineering role I interviewed for before since there are no published postings for this SPG; the recruiter reached out without me applying for it since she found my resume in their pool I guess.
      Nov 28, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng
    mUqi08

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    You have a mech degree and have an engineer job, don't go for a technician job.

    Wait for the opportunity of an engineer job there if you insist, if you go in as a technician you might end up not able to transfer into engineering.
    Nov 10, 2017 6
    • Apple FebN52
      Don’t be afraid, as long as it’s a full time position and not a contract gig, you’ll be fine. I work here as a MechE, Apple is the best place in the valley for MEs IMO. In Europe it’s actually pretty normal to have Engineers doing what is considered “technician” work out here.
      Nov 10, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      The problem is he will be hourly, which means he will be only doing dedicated technician work in the technician team and will learn nothing but running tests or operating machines.

      No overtime for sure but you are too young to do that with a degree. Stay away and wait for a proper opportunity.
      Nov 10, 2017
    • New / Eng Trust Me
      OP
      @FebN52, I see what you’re saying but we’re not in Europe. I am worried how it would look on my resume if I go searching for another job and have “technician” as my title. People may start to believe I’m under-qualified for other stuff. And also what @mUqi08 said. I don’t want to be stuck operating machines and running tests without having the chance to contribute in other ways.

      Tbh, my eventual goal is to become a PM at Apple but I thought I could use an engineering job to transition into it internally since it’s much harder to do so from the outside.
      Nov 10, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      OP, the easiest way to get into apple is to be an domain expert, not getting in and then transfer. Work on something you are good at then apply as an expert.
      Nov 10, 2017
    • New / Eng Trust Me
      OP
      Hi, sorry if that came out wrong. Obviously I wouldn’t be going into this job with the sole purpose of transferring. This is just my end goal. Thats why I don’t want to be seen or stuck as a technician even though it’s at Apple.
      Nov 10, 2017
  • Amazon IDXf54
    I think you should wait to make a decision after your phone interview or Onsite interview. During the interview make sure you get all your questions answered as well. Hopefully you will get enough data at that point to make a decision
    Nov 10, 2017 0
  • Cisco / Mgmt Changeling
    Don't go for something underqualified, it will be hard to prove you can do a higher skilled job later. If the job is high skilled and this is just the title issue then it is ok. You can move after one year and you have to tell your manager that you want to start interviewing for other roles. Few of my friends successfully made the transition and having internal references and domain experience definitely helps to compete with external candidates.
    Nov 10, 2017 1
    • New / Eng Trust Me
      OP
      I see. I hope that it’s not looked down upon if I try to move from this role in a year. Let’s see what they say though. I asked to speak with the manager via phone but haven’t heard back yet from the recruiter.
      Nov 10, 2017
  • Apple pfgjf
    Go for the interview. But keep in mind what your goals are. My first job was as a tester at Microsoft, which I took because wow it's a job at Microsoft! Even though going in I knew I had no interest in testing and wanted to actually developer things (no offense to qa or sdet anywhere, but it just wasn't for me). Long story short, I didn't stay so long there. I don't regret it because you learn something everywhere, but if you're going to go in knowing you don't want to be a technician you should seriously think about would you rather *do* what you want or be at Apple
    Nov 10, 2017 0
  • Google
    vpFb99

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    Depending on your situation — if you’re already happy at your current role, go find out more/interview but don’t be afraid to turn them down. If you do turn them down, let them know what you’re more interested in (engineering role), and they’ll certainly keep you in mind for a engineering role on their team in the future as they open up.
    Nov 10, 2017 1
    • New / Eng Trust Me
      OP
      I'm not very happy at my current position because I don't think I do meaningful work. The pay and hours/work flexibility isn't bad here though but yeah I think I'll interview again and see what it's like. If they can change the title and if it's in the same ballpark in terms of the pay, I may take it. Thanks!
      Nov 10, 2017
  • Apple fAt7k&wb2$
    Go and talk with the manager and teams to understand better. And then make a decision later.
    Nov 10, 2017 1
    • New / Eng Trust Me
      OP
      Yea, that seems to be the general consensus. Do you know if it's easier to move around and whether the manager has the authority to change titles?
      Nov 10, 2017
  • Apple Quork
    Do you know which SPG? Amazing opportunities in some; dead ends in others.
    Nov 11, 2017 1
    • New kgzI63
      Yes, I’ll message you privately.
      Nov 12, 2017

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