Oracle offer for Senior. Negotiate?

Microsoft IScV51
Apr 27, 2018 21 Comments

This is my first job change in US.

I got an offer from Oracle OCI in Seattle for a Senior position (probably MTS-3):
Base: $170k
Stocks: $375k
~= $265 TC
I'm a Senior SDE at MS and have 10 years of experience doing ML at major search engine companies.

The TC is about what I have asked since I did not believe Oracle could give me even this much (had terrible experience with Amazon).
I feel a bit like a dog that caught it's tail.
But now my "wants" shifted to $300k TC.

I'm also getting an offer from Google for T4. I thought that I could use this offer to get something closer to $300k TC (base + stock/4) from Google. Unfortunately, It seems that Google does not want to give more than Oracle (or might offer something even lower).

Oracle's recruiter really wants to talk to me and get some answer. I'm scared to ask for more since they already gave me what I've asked and I probably won't have Google as a good leverage. I also feel bad that I'm probable going to Google unless they pay much less.

What should I do? What should I say to the Oracle recruiter?
What should I do if Google gives me the same TC or even a bit less?

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TOP 21 Comments
  • Oracle / Eng Madmaxf
    Take google offer , save yourself from sleepless nights with regrets.
    Apr 27, 2018 2
    • Microsoft Poip
      Is it that bad in OCI...
      Apr 29, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng Madmaxf
      When you compare with google , yes
      Apr 29, 2018
  • Microsoft Uhaob
    Stock appreciation from Google will take you over Oracle offer. Plus free food... just eat extra to make up the difference you think you are losing.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Airbnb Amds46
    If Google gives you the same base and stock, it’s already 289k TC without sign-on. Bonus target for T4 is 15%.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Oracle / Eng piygo
    You may be under calculating TC since you don't account for annual RSUs. I'd ask about that.
    Apr 27, 2018 4
    • Microsoft CodeIt
      Whats annual rsus?
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng piygo
      It's stock awarded each year at bonus time. Oracle doesn't do cash bonuses usually, but they do give stock. Microsoft does as well.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Microsoft CodeIt
      Do they increment base annually?
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng piygo
      Yes, but typically not much.
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Lyft whoAmI001
    Oracle senior is sde2 equivalent
    May 1, 2018 0
  • Oracle / Eng acfL58
    Take google offer.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Oracle Axvwnx
    Good offer, but with 10 years of work ex in ML you could try one of the unicorns like Netflix / Snapchat. Or even Google.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Cisco Avantika
    Senior in oracle is IC3 (Individual contributor 3). Note that oracle does not give cash bonus after performance rebiews. If you are under a good manager they may get you additional rsu during some review cycles.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Saywh
    Seems like a pretty good offer honestly
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Oracle cOrn48
    You might land up with a shitty manager in google as well ... not trying to confuse you .... it's hard to predict the future .... you need to take a call not just based on tc salary , but also other things like type of work , career prospects etc .... not all reviews about Google are all that great !!
    Apr 27, 2018 1
    • Oracle / Eng acfL58
      Manager might be shitty but other benefits are surely better compared to Oracle. I would strongly go with Google without any doubt.
      Apr 28, 2018
  • Oracle cOrn48
    Lol !!
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Oracle cOrn48
    Go to Google ... Oracle recruiter will understand once she knows you have an offer from Google
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Microsoft CodeIt
    Looks good offer to me
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Salesforce EshwarAlla
    No bonus ? Sign on or cash bonus yoy
    Apr 27, 2018 0

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