Performance Improvement Plan

New iKCm08
Feb 11 15 Comments

If you get a PIP, what is the usual turn around ratio? Is there a way to get that taken down and have a normal review by talking to higher authority or hr?

Has anyone faced an issues where the manager is purposely trying to frame the employee?


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TOP 15 Comments
  • General Motors fcEiMK3Gwb
    You're as good as fired if you're on a PIP
    Feb 11 1
  • Wayfair Nqht38
    If you think your manager is trying to frame you, it’s already over.

    And HR is there to protect the company, they’re not there to help you.

    But don’t worry, there are better opportunities out there
    Start looking for them
    Feb 11 0
  • Wayfair Nqht38
    I’ve faced that issue; it’s clear when the manager and the company want you out.

    Start looking for other jobs; you’re not getting around this plan
    Feb 11 0
  • New h5n1
    It really depends on the company.

    Where I work now it's a standard procedure and maybe 30 to 40% survive. This is assuming no politics which you should not assume

    In a previous job I was a fairly popular manager in a remote office. I had hired most of the staff and I believe had their trust.

    Company got bought and we had a new manager. He wanted me out and to put his own guy in. Trumped up some reasons and put me on a PIP I guess thinking I would quit or something.

    I didn't. I basically just kept doing my job the same as before and noted carefully all the ways I delivered on the things named in the PIP.

    Basically called his bluff as if he fired me I'd have taken several key people with me and I guess others would have left to go elsewhere.

    So in the end he took me off the PIP.

    But that was super political, it was really a power play to try and install a different manager after an acquisition.

    That's not the normal situation.

    Industry wide I'd say 20% but in some companies it's closer to zero and where I am now 30 to 40% since we keep people who really do better.

    You want to see whether they really want you to improve or whether they just want you gone, and if they want you gone, why.
    Feb 11 0
  • New


    From a manager perspective:
    Depends on the case.
    Turnaround for some companies are ~50%.

    The unsuccessful cases boils down to:
    1. The person just plein out didn't want to work on the feedback.
    2. The person was hired and isn't at the bar of craft expected in the company.
    3. The behavioral issues persist.
    4. The original cause for the pip was really extreme and very minor improvement (i.e. No coding at all, extreme toxic behavior, violent, etc...).

    Personally, I gave people pips in order to improve their performance and ~95% of them has managed to improve their performance.

    Yoe:12 Yom:8
    Feb 12 0
  • Microsoft Desitechie
    The only way you survive PIP is by pretending to work, but using it as a paid leave to look for other jobs.
    At the end of your PIP your manager would figure you haven't written a line of meaningful code
    Feb 11 0
  • Homeaway ppMg64
    If your manager has it in for you, it’s pretty much over for you. Use this time to prepare and look for another role
    Feb 11 0
  • Two Sigma sO82MVE
    I’ve heard that 10% - 25% make it through PIP and turn things around at Two Sigma. I think most decide to leave on their own. If you think your manager is the problem you’re probably not going to be a turnaround story (whether they are or not).
    Feb 11 0
  • Bank of America Quackers
    I lol'd
    Feb 11 0
  • Juniper jamiee
    It’s not impossible but if the manager has it out for you then might as well start looking for the next gig
    Feb 15 0
  • Uber / Data Guiliani
    I have seen one of the hires on my team thrive after coming out of PIP in their previous team and transferring over to mine. Coming out of PIP is not impossible. To be on the safer side it is good to look outside as well.
    Feb 12 0
  • New YEDF60
    Cry at your desk
    Feb 11 0
  • Google zFsy57
    Dude, real talk: you've already lost your job. Almost no one survives their PIP. Less so if your manager is not fighting for you
    Feb 11 0
  • Homeaway ppMg64
    Hehe!! Someone needs to show this guy/gal some porn and pull him/her out of their corporate innocence 🤦‍♂️
    Feb 11 0