Please help me decide: Seattle or Texas

CVS Health zzwJ42
May 26 93 Comments

I recently accepted a L5 TPM offer from Amazon Seattle. The work sounds really interesting but I am not feeling excited when I read about Seattle weather, higher COL and all the stories about Amazon here. I am married with no kids. My wife is working and plan is to stay in her current job until she finds a good opportunity in Seattle. We both are on H1 and hold Canadian PR.

The positive things I can think about is Amazon brand name, option to move to India/Canada through internal move and what else 🤔 ?

I am worried about depressing weather in Seattle, almost double the house rent and COL, WLB may be bad and have to leave my spouse behind.

I know I shouldn't have accepted offer if I wasn't sure. I understand If I renege now, I may be burning the bridge but I don't want to regret on this decision if things don't work out. I would like to hear from blind community and if you guys can provide some suggestions?

YOE: 9

Current TC:
Base: 138k, Annual Bonus: 20k, RSU: 15k per year, 5% 401k match

Offered TC:
Base: 152k, Sign on: 30k + 25k, RSU: 50 shares over 4 years

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TOP 93 Comments
  • IBM khwf2
    Stay in Texas with your wife if you don’t want her to leave you
    May 26 0
  • Oath OPnd70
    I think you will get laid more in Texas than Seattle. Many hot latinas.
    May 26 5
    • IBM / Product
      Nexus55

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      He is married🤔🤣
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Oath - C'mon man, there is so much more in life than getting laid.
      May 26
    • Oath OPnd70
      Do it for the good weather and eye candy.
      May 26
    • IBM / Product
      Nexus55

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      I actually moved from Bay area to Austin and i feel now less stressed and can save some money. Weather is hot but i will prefer over Seattle freeze
      May 26
    • Oath OPnd70
      Austin is a sausage fest
      May 26
  • Amazon
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    I’d say, take Texas! I moved to Seattle from Boston last year and regretted it. The freeze which people talk about is REAL and, homelessness is a huge fcking issue in Seattle.
    May 26 7
    • Deloitte broadway74
      Isn’t Boston cold as hell too
      May 26
    • Amazon gDVc56
      He's talking about the Seattle freeze, basically the polite but unfriendliness of the city people here
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      That is true the Seattle freeze is very real. people are very strange around here and not as friendly as people in Texas.
      May 26
    • Capital One Vfua50
      Seattle freeze is not certainly true for some case if you are really outgoing person and he is married so he don’t need to hooked up. Watch Anthony Bourdain show about Seattle and people call it techie guys which don’t act like local or find techie girl.
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      @Vfua50 have you lived in a place like Texas? When I lived there I remember I moved to a new neighborhood and about 9 months later we had a baby. The neighbors that we hardly knew got together and brought us a prepared meal every night for an entire week. People generally are nice in Texas.

      In Texas when you walk down the street people have a tendency to look at each other and at least acknowledge the other person's existence either with a smile or a head nod. The first week that I was here I did that to someone out in the suburbs and they just stared at me like a deer caught in headlights and after they passed the two guys that I attempted to acknowledge looked at each other and said "do you know who the hell that guy was?" There is even a guy from my neighborhood that I will see out and about in the community and he seems to go out of his way to not acknowledge or even make eye contact with his neighbors. This is not true with everybody. However I do feel that occurs more in the Seattle area.

      Another example I have a habit of holding the door open for somebody else. It's just the way that I was raised. I did it for a woman at Amazon and the first thing she says to me after I let her in is "just so you know I'm married". My response was good for you. Really strange interaction. I mean what the heck I am not expecting anything from her I was just trying to be nice and it's just a habit that I have developed. I did have a woman friend here in the Seattle area that asked me not to do that for her. Of course I respected her wish but I found it very strange.
      May 26
    • Capital One Vfua50
      You answered itself . No need to judge one interviewer by door handling and all and my community have pretty much similarities where I stay. east side of Seattle which is suburbs. I don’t know you will find in Seattle downtown apartments community . You need yo head to suburban.30-40 min drive . I heard Redmond woodenville is nice too
      May 28
    • Amazon lamardavis
      'Seattle Freeze': Forget making friends — half of Washington residents don’t even want to talk to you

      https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/seattle-freeze-forget-making-friends-half-of-washington-residents-dont-even-want-to-talk-to-you/
      May 28
  • Uber bobaboi
    The weather is not that bad really.
    May 26 6
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      I heard summer is good but 8 months of winter are always dark and horrible?
      May 26
    • F5 Networks RRA
      The weather is terrible. This year was a less shitty year than usual.
      May 26
    • Amazon AMZNMusic
      Speak for yourself, I adore cloudy weather and despise sunny with a passion
      May 26
    • Amazon jbvcvv
      weather sucks. you will get depressed
      May 26
    • Amazon AMZNMusic
      I like how people say that so confidently. It does not apply to folks who like overcast weather.
      May 26
    • Amazon jbvcvv
      read the op’s post again. he is worried about the weather
      May 26
  • Amazon vulgarity
    Texas. Just made the move from Texas to Seattle a year back. Regretting it . Sure Seattle is a cool city. But love the quality of life you can get with lesser money, food etc in Texas .
    May 26 4
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      How easy is to move internally to Austin or another lesser COL city?
      May 26
    • Amazon vulgarity
      I'm sure it is easy. I moved from another company to Amazon (Texas to Seattle)..and lived exactly where you work (in vicinity of CVS health ). So I definitely know the type of life , you'll miss if you move to Seattle..if you really want to be in Amazon, try applying to Austin roles?
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      I already accepted the offer, not sure if they will let me change the team now
      May 26
    • Amazon vulgarity
      Well. You can start looking for internal transfers to DFW/Austin when you feel youve learnt the Amazon tools etc (usually 3-4 months)
      May 26
  • CVS Health zzwJ42
    OP
    Does Amazon provide shuttle or buses to employees? If I live in Bellevue and want to commute to Amazon office in downtown?
    May 26 13
    • Amazon lamardavis
      The commute can belong but Amazon does provide you with transportation. They even give you a MetroCard to take the bus as much as you want. They also have as others have stated an Amazon provided bus which is a lot nicer than the metro bus. They also give you monthly cash to park your car downtown if you choose to use that.

      You should find out if your team is cool with working from home. I will work from home a couple times a week just to save myself time.
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Thanks for your suggestion. Is there a map or something which I can look for Amazon shuttle route?

      About WFH, I will check with my manager a few days after I join. Asking before joining won't sound good? 🙂
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      Yeah that is true. Best to wait and see what the team culture is like. A lot of my teammates show up to work around 10:00 some even later. Some of my co-workers work from home a couple days in a row.

      The suburbs around the Seattle area have Amazon shuttle services. It sounds like you're going to be living in Bellevue? I believe there's also Amazon shuttle services in Redmond, Issaquah, Sammamish, Snoqualmie and Bothell (those are just the ones that come to my mind). If I know which part you're going to be moving to I'd probably could easily look up an address of where the bus picks you up at from your suburb.

      Amazon also does pay for vanpool if you want to use that service. There's also another ride sharing service you could use call scoop that they pay for as well. I believe they also give you a monthly allowance for Lyft or Uber.
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      I haven't decided about the place yet but I will probably looking for a decent and mid range apartment in Bellevue or Redmond within 25-30 minutes of commute. I am ready to stay in downtown too if I am able to find a 2 bedroom apartment in sharing. I believe the best way out is to find a short term or month to month lease and then find a stable place.

      I didn't know that Amazon reimburses for vanpool as well. Is there a cap for that, like for parking they pay $160 each month?
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      There is no cap on vanpool, Metrobus or Amazon commuter shuttle.

      Finding a month to month lease in Seattle I believe is impossible. I believe the minimum that you can find is one year. Is your wife not going to relocate here?
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      No, she is working in Texas and will move once she gets a decent job in Seattle. That's the toughest part which makes me keep thinking about my decision 😒 but I feel positive knowing internal move in Amazon is possible (I know it may involve some luck and politics) just in case things don't work out.
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      You can try to refer your wife to a job internally at Amazon. My skip level manager did that with his wife. If you submitted referral and they hire the referral then you get $3,000. Like I said my skip level did it with his wife and his brother and walked away with $6,000.
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      Amazon Bellevue shuttle according to the app picks you up here
      3120-3180 139th Ave SE, Bellevue

      Amazon commuter shuttle in Redmond picks you up from here
      9900 Willows Rd, Redmond

      The benefits of the Amazon commuter shuttle over the Seattle metro buses are as follows
      1.) Cleaner
      2.) Don't get any druggies riding with you on the Amazon bus
      3.) Doesn't really stop at other stops. Metro buses take longer and will probably stop at other places.

      If you are in Bellevue and live close to the Amazon Bellevue office there is an Amazon campus shuttle that goes between Amazon Bellevue and the Seattle office. That could also be an option for you. The Amazon Bellevue office you can find on Google maps. Search for Amazon Everest on Google maps. I have had coworkers go between Amazon Seattle and Amazon Bellevue by using the Amazon campus shuttle (different than the commuter shuttle).
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Thanks so much! I appreciate all the tips and suggestions you provided 🙂 ! The app which you mentioned, is this something available to current employees only?
      May 27
    • Amazon lamardavis
      App? Do you mean the Scoop app? There is also an app to schedule the commutter shuttle. I would not mess with those until after your first day.

      By the way. Usually the commuter shuttle app says all the buses are full but even if you show up while on the wait list I have never had them turn me away.
      May 27
  • Seems same TC for expensive place
    May 26 1
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Yeah, except a better brand name on resume
      May 26
  • Amazon / Mgmt SDevM
    Join in SEA and move to Texas in 7-8 months. You get best of both worlds ... next few months is summer so you don't need to worry much ...
    May 26 0
  • Amazon some guys
    Why don’t you try getting a role as a TPM in Amazon Dallas.
    A quick search will show you some options

    Also, working at amazon for a year or so will open a lot of doors for you. FAANG companies try to hire from one another
    May 26 3
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Is it posible after already accepting an offer? If so, what's the best way to approach that?
      May 26
    • Amazon some guys
      You can try applying on the job portal. Let’s see what the recruiter does.
      You could also make the move and then apply for internal transfer. I’ve seen that happen
      May 26
    • Amazon :-)(-:
      As long as there is an opening and you successfully go through internal interview loop, you can relocate
      May 26
  • Amazon BhUk38
    Based on compensation details of your current role in TX vs offer in Seattle, you’ll probably feel like you’re making a lot less money after moving to Seattle. It’s not just rent/mortgage; it’s also utilities, food, property tax (if you buy), vehicle registration, and general standard of living at your expected TC. E.g., if you go far enough north that you’re paying $500-$650K for a move-in ready single family home, your commute is going to be pretty cruddy.
    May 26 2
    • Adobe OpenRoad19
      Yep, this! And even though there’s no state income tax, sales tax is high, food costs are high, entertainment costs are high, etc. For me, the commute is hell. I work from home two days a week, but at least with Amazon, you’ve got the company bus.
      May 26
    • Amazon :-)(-:
      Property tax in TX is 2-3 times more than WA. Your monthly $ outflow for 500k house in Austin area is same as of 750k house in Seattle area. You pay similar amount for utilities. You pay similar amount for organic food and vegetables. On the flip side rent is lower in Austin area.

      So Austin is not as cheap as you may think. It’s a little better but not a lot.
      May 26
  • Amazon Ftsb
    Dude. Texas
    May 26 2
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Texas - Good or bad?
      May 26
    • Amazon Ftsb
      I’m saying Texas is good. It’s a no brainer
      May 26
  • Amazon :-)(-:
    Moved to Austin after 5 years in Seattle. Go to Texas if it’s Austin without a second thought.
    May 26 1
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Is it difficult to move internally in Amazon? How was your experience?
      May 26
  • Amazon gDVc56
    Agree with what most people are saying, work in Seattle a year, if you don't like it by then, transfer to either Austin or DFW within Amazon.
    May 26 0
  • Groupon dhsksl
    The weather is not bad, you just get used to it and would not notice it much. It’s not like there are ton of things to do outside in winter in texas anyways. You wouldn’t miss out much, the greenary and mountains makes up for the weather. The homes are smaller and expensive here but you can be confident that you could sell them for appreciation when you leave, it’s not easy selling a home in texas since there is so much inventory
    May 26 0
  • Adobe OpenRoad19
    Former East Coaster who has lived in both Portland Seattle for about 16 years total.

    The weather isn’t too bad; you can break up a rainy and gray winter with a suncation. You won’t have the hear and humid summers of back East; summer is “short” but it’s nice, although there’s definitely a change in the weather - when I moved to Portland almost 20 years ago, 90+ degree days were s handful but today, the hot weather can stretch for two weeks or so. You are used to it, so you won’t melt like the typical NW native.

    COL is high here. You can buy a house in the ‘burbs but the commute sucks.

    For me, I’d say stay at Amazon long enough to vest. Time moves so quickly. But, if you can’t move your wife due to her job, I’d stay with her in your current job and TC.
    May 26 0
  • Amazon lamardavis
    I know someone who moved from Texas to Seattle for Amazon. After about 1 year at Amazon in Seattle he end up transferring to a different team in Austin.

    I also lived in Texas for about 10 years but I've been living now in Seattle for about 4 years. Yes the cost of living is much higher here and generally it is more difficult to live here (find doctors, get in to daycare, find general help). Also the Mexican food here in the Seattle area is awful.

    On the plus side it is definitely the more scenic and beautiful terrain. Hiking is awesome in the Pacific Northwest. From a financial perspective I have made and saved more money than I expected. When I first moved here my Amazon TC was nearly the same as what I was making in Texas. However having Amazon experience I felt would open up other career opportunities for me later on down the line. Amazon gave me an offer when the stock was between 350 to $400 so my gamble turned out well :-) also my home in Houston appreciated a nice amount and I did have a 15-year mortgage so I was able to build a lot of equity in my TX home. My housing situation in Texas allowed me to buy home here in the Seattle area that has even appreciated more than my house did in Texas. If my housing situation wasn't what it was in Texas I don't think I would have been able to afford a home here in Seattle. If I were to sell my house up here in Seattle I feel that I could afford decent home even in a place like California. Seattle has given me more options later on in life.

    Update: I moved to Seattle with two kids.

    Do you own a place in Texas?
    May 26 6
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Thanks for the suggestions!

      No, I rent an apartment in Texas 😑
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      Do you have a lot of cash on hand? I had a lot of savings in addition to my home equity available to me when I moved from Texas to Seattle.
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Yes, around 250k
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      Having that cash on hand in a place like Texas does not surprise me. I think at one point when I was living there I had about 8-10 years worth of emergency funds. People with good jobs in Texas I think generally have a lot of disposable income. A lot of my neighbors would take very nice vacations and I think generally had nicer cars.

      With 250k I think you should be fine if you decide to purchase a home here in the Seattle area. If you did not have a home or did not have that much cash on hand I think it would be difficult to live here in the Seattle area.

      I assume Amazon's also offering you a sign on bonus? I think mine was something like 50K but I don't recall it has already been 4 years.
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      I am not planning to invest in property right now. I am on visa and that makes things little complex 😑 .

      Yes sign on is around 50k for me too for 2 years.
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      Yeah I don't see why you wouldn't be able to afford living here. Yes you will have sticker shock for sure. I don't advise looking for a "cheap" area. Make sure you live in a place that you really like. I wouldn't advise just looking for a cheap place.
      May 26
  • Deloitte broadway74
    I am in the same boat kinda. Moving in 3 weeks from east coast to Seattle. Nervous about weather and hcol but if you don’t take risks you don’t get big rewards. Also many other tech companies in Seattle
    May 26 3
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Thanks, good to know. Where do you plan to stay there?
      May 26
    • Deloitte broadway74
      Corporate housing for 75 days then look for something cheap until my partner comes out there. She too is staying while we sell the house and until she finds a job. I don’t have kids so that makes it way easier but was looking at buying north of Seattle. Seems reasonably priced. You can find place for $500-650k. If you go south of Seattle I see places on Zillow around $350k-$450k
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      I plan to rent an apartment to begin with. I chose the lump sum option for relocation. I thought the corporate housing was allowed for 30 days only.
      May 26
  • Capital One Vfua50
    The weather is not bad . Don’t come into horror stories people tell you and Weather in December and January is bad but it’s bad in northeast part of usa too like NY or Boston or Chicago and amazon is brand and take the risk or accept the challenge . Lot of people don’t come out of comfort zone .
    May 26 0
  • Nutanix xAQr80
    Going through a similar move, but in reverse. Relocating from San Diego to Charlotte, NC. Our view is that if we don't like it we can move back in a year or two. In a company the size of Amazon there are plenty of options to relocate back after 12 months. I would say bite the bullet and make the change. It is a great resume builder and you will have lots of options long term. Focus on work for 12 months (should be easy without family local unfortunately) and you will have the option to move wherever you want.
    May 26 0
  • Expedia Hmmmm!
    As you mentioned you don’t have kids yet I think you should go for it. Take all the chances you can before having kids. If you don’t like it try to go back to where you prefer. Once you have kids these things will become harder anyways.
    May 26 0
  • Amgen Mrmephisto
    As someone who grew up in Portland you get used to it but expect rain or overcast skies from about Late October through early June. Sunny days are hard to beat though with all the gorgeous green and snow capped Mt. Rainer. You can put up with it for 1-2 years dude and then see if you can transfer to Texas from Amazon if you hate it while simultaneously looking for other jobs with that brand on your resume opening the doors. Don’t listen to anyone who says otherwise everyone looks highly upon the amazon brand...unless they worked there ;)
    May 26 0
  • Microsoft Teslanos
    If you’re a wacko sjw please stay on the west coast and don’t bring your homelessness-encouraging politics with you.
    May 26 0
  • Northrop Grumman iamaditya
    Same feeling for me OP
    May 26 0
  • Deloitte broadway74
    I would go to amazon to open up career further in the future
    May 26 0
  • Blue Cross Blue Shield Cannabis
    Level at CVS?
    May 26 4
    • Blue Cross Blue Shield Cannabis
      Is annual bonus fixed?
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      No, performance based but varies between 18k-20k
      May 26
    • Blue Cross Blue Shield Cannabis
      Mind if I PM you?
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Sure
      May 26
  • Intel Pointless4
    Don’t forget. If you move to Washington you’ll have to pay state income tax.
    May 26 3
    • Amazon lamardavis
      Just like Texas, Washington does not have a state income tax.
      May 26
    • Intel Pointless4
      Oh wow! That’s a pretty good deal then... do all your big shopping in Portland to avoid sales tax.
      May 26
    • Amazon lamardavis
      Yeah I do believe some people go down to Portland and make larger purchases.
      May 26
  • Salesforce tensorchic
    CVS vs Amazon. It's not even a comparison. You'll by far work on more impactful things in the latter. And Seattle >>>>>>>> anywhere in Texas. I've lived in Texas and after being in SF and visiting Seattle a bunch of times even in the rain, I wouldn't go back.
    May 26 3
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      What are some positives you noticed in Seattle when compared to Texas?
      May 26
    • Salesforce tensorchic
      1) nature
      2) within 2h from Seattle, three national parks, plenty forests and scenic places
      3) legalized Cannabis
      4) you don't have to worry about your teenage daughter going to jail for aborting late term!
      5) there are hills, valleys, parks, forests, hiking, nature
      6) better jobs in tech by far.
      7) hop skip jump to Canada.

      I don't know what's good in Texas. Cheaper. That's about it.

      I realized I've covered nature in 3 points but the lack of it in Texas gets to me.
      May 26
    • CVS Health zzwJ42
      OP
      Thanks, it helps. Close proximity to Canada is one of the positives which can help me maintain my PR later if needed.
      May 26
  • Deloitte broadway74
    Yes there are shuttle buses. Also they are moving employees to Bellevue
    May 26 0
  • Amazon saywha
    Not worth it for the offer you have.
    May 26 0
  • Deloitte broadway74
    If you own a home it’s 75 days and 45 days if you don’t. Also lump sum was a pretty bad deal at least for me. I would not rent a luxury apt or in a high rise. I have been looking and there are decent options $1500-$2000 near a bus line, 20 to 30 minute commute
    May 26 0

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