Point out a logical flaw in this immigration post?

Oracle kLrY62
Jun 17 26 Comments

Please read Senators Grassley's position on a significant immigration bill. If you support the post by Senator Grassley, I only ask that you call congress and tell them you OPPOSE S.386 or the fairness in high skilled immigrants act. It is VERY IMPORTANT TO CALL BECAUSE MOST OF CONGRESS IS UNWITTINGLY NOT OPPOSED TO THIS BILL AND IT WILL GO TO VOTE NEXT WEEK.

There is nothing fair about a bill that prioritizes only one country over all other immigrants.

1) USCIS does not vet skills; it only categorizes you as EB1, EB2, or EB3 based on your education and exp. USCIS does not distinguish between a FAANG programmer, or a Doctor or a low skilled QA worker from a desi consulting company.

2) Most Indians in the backlog are either sponsored by an outsourcing company (WITCHAS) or by a desi consulting company and not by FAANG companies.

3) The per-country cap does not limit India, India has always has gotten more than 18% of the GC quota never 7%, this is because of the spillover visas.
Indians get the most number of Employment Green cards every year; China is a distance second.

4) Yes, country of birth should not be a factor in a skill-based visa, but neither should priority date. Our immigration system requires a comprehensive solution that sorts based on merit and not the country of birth nor the order in which they apply. S-386 only removes country of birth but does not replace it with a better alternative.

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https://votesmart.org/public-statement/1310787/fairness-in-high-skilled-immigrants-act#.XQgTT_5JmUl

Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, I have asked to be notified before any unanimous consent agreement to process this bill because I oppose S. 281, the Fairness in High-Skilled Immigrants Act. High-skilled immigrants are a benefit to the United States. We welcome those talented individuals from across the world who can supplement our own domestic labor workforce. In Iowa, we have seen the benefit of high- skilled immigrant doctors, healthcare professionals, and medical specialists who serve our rural communities. These immigrants provide quality healthcare and immerse themselves in our communities. In turn, Iowans welcome them with open arms. I look forward to improving the integrity of our H-1B program through regular order in a bipartisan manner. However, I have strong objections to S. 281 or the Fairness in High-Skilled Immigrants Act.

This bill would eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants and increase the per country numerical limitation for family-based immigrants from 7 percent to 15 percent of the total number of family-sponsored visas. It would also do nothing to improve lserious problems in our H-1B visa program. conIn fact, it does not address any employer abuses, fraud, protections for American workers or protections for the H-1B workers themselves.

Congress must deal with the visa backlog issue, but this bill is a bandaid over a bullet hole that I fear will lead to unintended consequences. First, eliminating the per country caps will not necessarily clear out the backlog. Inevitably, with tens of thousands of people waiting in line, a backlog will ensue from a processing standpoint regardless of whether or not there are per country caps. Second, this bill does not replace the per country caps with any sort of metric-based system or order. This is problematic at best. Of course, an immigrant's country of origin should not dictate their place in line for visas, but surely a clear corresponding domestic labor demand should.

Members on both sides of the aisle have said they are committed to a merit-based immigration system. Certainly then, if we eliminate per country caps, we should have a merit-based system that prioritizes not based on country of origin, but on what jobs need to be filled and a showing that there are not enough Americans to fill that position. Some of my colleagues have proposed a points-based system. I believe this could be a good starting point. Ultimately, however, a replacement system for the per country limitations should be discussed and fully vetted through hearings and debate. I am willing to work with any Member, Democrat or Republican, including the proponents of this bill, to create a smarter and fairer system.

President Trump and congressional Republicans promised the American people that we would address chain migration, but this bill does not do that. Instead, it more than doubles family-sponsored visas but does not limit this privilege to the nuclear family. Before we talk about expanding family-sponsored visas, we should right-size immigration in a manner that balances domestic economic demand with American values. Limiting family-sponsored visas to spouses, children, and elderly dependent parents seems both fair and prudent.

Finally, this bill does not include overdue reforms to our H-1B visa program. This bill does not include any safeguards, such as requiring employers to recruit American workers prior to hiring an H-1B worker and increasing wages for H-1B workers. Too often we have seen employers undercut wages for U.S. workers by intentionally classifying H-1B workers at a lower wage level for the work they are performing. This bill also ignores harms that befall the H-1B workers, many of whom are underpaid, vulnerable to abuse, and frequently placed in poor working conditions. There is bipartisan agreement that we need to address the visa backlog and H-1B reform. I look forward to working with any of my colleagues on this effort in the next Congress.

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Source: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2018-12-18/html/CREC-2018-12-18-pt1-PgS7782-3.htm

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    • Microsoft
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      I flagged you for bullying. This post has nothing to do with hate speech or discrimination.
      Jun 17
  • Oracle kLrY62
    OP
    Explain to everyone how are skills vetted by uscis ? Do they make you leet code? If skills are vetted by uscis why don’t they sort doctors or scientists ahead of low skilled QA WITHIN THE SAME COUNTRY?

    Classic- if you don’t agree with me you must be racist.

    As I mentioned I would like to see a logical debate not name calling. You already lost that one.

    Also please explain how is priority date a skill ? Do universities give admission in the order in which they are received or do companies in order of application date? We are on the same page that country of birth is not a skill.

    Your position is that this bill works for me and if you have a problem with it start your own bill. My post is about what is good for America not for you or me.
    Jun 18 5
    • Oracle kLrY62
      OP
      Right now the “where” clause for EB gc is : group by country and sort by priority date. You want to remove the “group by” clause and just sort by date?

      I am saying remove the country crap and replace it with something better. I don’t understand why can’t there be debates on the house floor about such an important bill which if passed will have a huge impact to Emp Gc? That is my question.. by all means remove country cap but find a better way to sort the applications? Also let’s have a genuine debate on how to solve this crisis ( I admit it is not fair to Indians). For instance why does the tech lobby love this bill? My position is that because they always favor a loose labor market. Let’s have an open debate and include opinions from all organizations . Let’s research the impact to the labor market, to immigration, to diversity everything has to be on the table.
      Jun 18
    • Oracle kLrY62
      OP
      No, this is not a car we are talking about rule making in America .

      My appeal is to every non Indian on blind and to every naturalized Indian to call congress and put a stop to this bill.

      We live in a participatory democracy we expect our lawmakers to do their job and to do the basic due diligence before passing any bill. Call you senator and tell them that you oppose this bill because we need a comprehensive solution. We don’t want a bill that will favor only one country and virtually give all green cards to only one country while spreading the backlog to everyone else. I expect more from our government! I don’t care if you are a democrat or republican we have to put the country first.

      Call your senator and leave a comment, it takes less than 5 mins and you can do it in your morning commute.

      Notice that the other side does not want an open debate, their only response is that you are a racist, or that this bill works for me so I am good with it.
      Jun 18
    • Oracle kLrY62
      OP
      Unless you turn off the valve you can never drain the water. We need to fix H1b(feeder to EGC) first, make sure American workers are protected. Where is your empathy for American workers displaced by cheap low wage H1b workers ? If the government had fixed H1b in the first place we would not have been in this predicament. There are stories of American worked committing suicide because they got laid off and displaced by younger cheaper low wage Indians.

      Up to 60% of the Indians in the backlog don’t have US degrees which means they were directly sponsored by one of the outsourcing companies (Wipro, infosys, congnizant, TCS) etc. All these outsourcing companies are almost 99% Indian. Which means you used your country of birth privilege to come to USA in the first place . Country of birth preference worked great for you until now.

      On the other end there are these mom and pop desi consulting companies that virtually only hire Indians and place them as contractors .. again country of birth privilege worked great for you until it doesn’t.

      Most Indians refer other Indians at work. This is not particularly unique to Indian or Asians most people refer people they know. Again country of birth privilege works great until it doesn’t.

      I do have sympathy for the kids who are getting aged out. I also know some smart Indians whom I would like to hire but visa and gc issues make it cumbersome. At the same time I know lots of incompetent Indians who are only here because of country of birth privilege- they knew the right people to sponsor them visa, or they knew the right people to give them proxy interview and remote job support .

      The problem is not country caps(even though I am in favor of removing it) it is a problem of supply and demand. Simply put there are lots of Indians who are willing and able to come to USA . You mentioned a 150 year backlog for Indian yet in 2019 more than 50k Indians applied and got approved i140. How do reconcile that? This is a problem with supply .

      It’s not unique to labor market, even admissions to university struggle with racial balancing because of the sheer number of Asians who apply. That is why IVY league schools whether they like to admit or not have some kind of race quota .

      When I build a team of developers I always look for diversity because different backgrounds and experience is a prerequisite for a high performance team. It is very imp to me that I be able to hire the best talent from anywhere in the world.
      Jun 19
    • Oracle kLrY62
      OP
      That is a silly question, no 2 candidates are ever the same. They will always have strength and weaknesses. In an hypothetical situation with everything being the same, I will create the most diverse team possible.
      Jun 19
    • Oracle kLrY62
      OP
      We both are speaking apples and oranges. You are full of contradictions

      Your first post seems to agree with me that we need adjudicate based on merit yet you have created a bill that has NO component of merit. Please don’t say baby steps or first step and insult my intelligence.

      If tech companies benefit from the current situation why would they be backing your bill?
      Jun 19
  • Oracle kLrY62
    OP
    This article points out the flaw in this bill. Once again, I urge everyone to call your senator. Don’t ever assume your government is working for, this is a prime example of how special interests can push an agenda that is completely anti American.

    https://www.jacksonville.com/opinion/20190613/guzzardi-congress-advances-bad-immigration-bills?template=ampart&__twitter_impression=true
    Jun 20 2
    • Google / Eng L7 👁️
      Folks again - this guy cares about it because he / she will lose their privilege of being treated special in the line ONLY for the country of birth. This person is using you as a tool to achieve what he wants.

      Don't get used.
      Jun 20
    • Oracle kLrY62
      OP
      Folks I DO encourage you to read the opinion piece above. It has the same fallacy that the others guys have been using. There is NO 7% country cap on emp based visas. I encourage you to follow the link below to the official DHS site and research for yourself .
      Jun 20
  • Uber lol Blind
    Grassley and most RINOs just want immigration status quo, so he can keep getting paid by multinational corporations who depress American wages and profit immensely themselves.

    Country quotas are just a nonsensical piece of bureaucracy that tried to apply some governance to prevent flooding of migrants but it wasn’t attacking the problem correctly.

    It should be based only on merit. (ie, Who helps America the most economically and culturally/spiritually)
    Jun 17 1
    • Google DocStrange
      Did you seriously just call Grassley a RINO?
      Jun 17
  • Facebook cyberculi
    Imagine a world where most populous country is Norway..OP would not have posted this...That summerizes it...
    Jun 21 0
  • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
    Call your congressmen and warn of the dangers of HR1044. IV is spreading lies about the 7% cap and 150 years wait. HR1044 is a bill that will completely break the Immigration system for everybody, which is their ultimate aim. If you're not an Indian in the backlog, you are against HR1044, let your voice be heard.
    Jun 28 1
    • Oracle Gt69hy
      Thanks, I saw mike lee speech and I almost threw up. If he acknowledged H1b abuse why can’t he understand that those is the backlog may have dubious qualifications.
      Jun 28
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    Which will increase TC more for natural born citizens?
    Jun 17 0
  • Yahoo tgbv
    Stop spreading false information and fear mongering OP, it's written in bill that EB visas are capped at 7%, that's the fact.Refer Link:https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit , Source: USCIS. The way you are trying too hard to rile up everyone makes me question your true intentions
    Jun 20 0
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Open borders. Governments should not control our movement in or out.
    Jun 18 0
  • Oracle kLrY62
    OP
    Are you not capable of reading ?? Why don’t you read the uscis link that YOU POSTED again! it says clearly the max number of family-sponsored AND employment-based preference visas that can be issued to citizens of any country ...

    It’s the SUM of family based + emp based that cannot exceed 7 % per year. When calculated, 7 % of a million is 70k visas. So theoretically it’s possible that A country can get a max of 70 k or 50% visas in emp category alone. India happens to dominate in emp category and Mexico in family based.

    But IV is spreading the lie of a 7 % cap on emp based visa, it is simply not true as I have proven over and over again. This screen shot is from your website and you are deliberately trying to mislead congress.

    PS: Greenland is not a country and India gets more green cards than all of Europe put together.
    Jun 21 0
  • Oracle kLrY62
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    You don’t like a senators point of view, how is that bullying ? I asked you to pint a logical flaw in the debate.
    Jun 17 3
    • Amazon / Eng kerbal
      Microsoft flagged Facebook for bullying, because Facebook flagged you for hate speech. Microsoft didn't flag you, I think.
      Jun 17
    • Microsoft
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      Thank you Amazon, I edited my post to make it more clear.
      Jun 17
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      The first flagger is kaluakaila
      Jun 17
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    • Amazon tl4Alw
      How do you measure merit?

      For example, I don't think a bachelor's in economics plus a "bridge masters" in CS from an online school means you have more merit than someone who "only" has an undergrad in CS from a top school.

      In fact I'm not sure I would even equate education with merit at all.
      Jun 17
  • Oracle kLrY62
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    Most populous country is China.
    Jun 21 0