Racism and Favouritism in USA

Chase onlypjay
May 10 55 Comments

I came to USA 12 years ago, at that time I always able to get a job if I do well in the interviews! Nowadays I can clearly see that I can be rejected even though I am fully qualified for the job, purely based on favoritism towards respective races, if you have Asian manager from China, then they will hire most likely their own race or close to that, and if it's Indian manager, they will more likely favor their own.

This is basically hurting the diversity and inclusion America used to provide. And sometimes I feel like, I need to move elsewhere now, as more and more IT departments are getting crowded with foreign nationals, they are bringing same practices they used to have in their own countries.

How can we deal with this?

Am I the only one feels like that?

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  • Intel babubhatt
    America did not used to be more diverse and inclusive.
    May 10 12
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      Let's not go 200 years ago, and bring African Americans in this discussion! Let's talk about last 50-70 years maybe
      May 10
    • Intel babubhatt
      Last 50-70 years still applies. Ever hear of Jim Crow laws?

      Also, how about LGBT folks, who still don’t consistently have equal rights today?

      We can’t pretend the US has a great track record on inclusion.
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      My experience with American whites, is they are more open and inclusive than my own race. And I could trust them to be fair when it's comes to merit for the most part, although exceptions are always there ...
      May 10
    • Kaspersky Lab aye dais
      +1
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      Americans are more diverse, it's statistically proven otherwise you could be able to find diversity in China, Russia and India; it's majority same race; I would say America is the most diverse and inclusive country in the world currently.
      May 10
    • Intel babubhatt
      You previously said the US used to be more inclusive.

      US historically was not a role model for embracing diversity or inclusion. It was great for white, straight, Christian men, and not as great for others.

      We can’t paint over that past.
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      Used to be in last 50 years, and that's how America became the most diverse and powerful economy in the world.
      May 10
    • Kaspersky Lab aye dais
      Onlyplay, Americans are diverse, but they have never been more inclusive than nowadays
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      Americans are, but not foreigners who are bringing their own culture of favoritism
      May 10
    • Kaspersky Lab aye dais
      Well, that’s a price to pay for diversity and freedom. You let people be who they are and hope they will be drawn to more positive ideas and more kind way of living.
      May 10
  • Apple castigator
    In my experience I tend to see more discrimination against people over 40. Not much race, although managers tend to chose from their own trusted network which often is closed to their culture.
    May 10 7
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      Closed to their culture means racism in general,
      May 10
    • Apple castigator
      No, it means tribalism. I don’t hang up much with Indians not because of race, just because we don’t have much in common culturally. But I have no issue working with Indians.
      May 11
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      If your tribe = people from your race mostly, then it's essentially same thing my friend
      May 11
    • Apple castigator
      You are trying to be a victim at any cost and refusing to read.
      May 11
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      You are missing the point, it's not at all about getting along or hanging out, it's about merit based selection and diversity without having an impact from tribalism or racism, whatever you can call it, doesn't really matter
      May 11
    • Apple castigator
      I did not write that. Just read again. But if someone from my network I know and trust has the same qualifications of another candidate I don’t know it has better chances to be hired. I don’t care about skin color, gender, religion or political views
      May 11
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      Got it, but the point here is that there should be check and balance on it, most often than not, it's becoming one sided affair, and you can see the teams becoming representative of uni heritage and race. This is the problem and it needs to be addressed, we cannot paint it with sugar coating.
      May 11
  • Yahoo Genius
    I agree, it's becoming more of cartel like system.
    Everyone brings their people and if you're not part of them, you have no chance.
    May 10 0
  • CenturyLink ml7hsg6
    Well, what you’re seeing is called diversity.
    May 10 5
    • Yahoo Genius
      Or may be Biased/Rigged diversity
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      No sir, it's cartel!
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      There should be systematic checks and balances to counter it, how can you can only find people of your own race for your team?
      May 10
    • Intel babubhatt
      As Melodius said, if discrimination on race occurs, report it.

      Also recognize that people tend to hire people like them, and this is particularly hard for minorities and women. Do better when you are in a position to hire.
      May 10
    • Yahoo Genius
      Agreed with you! Good comment.
      May 10
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Discrimination on the basis of race is unlawful. The way to deal with it is to report it.
    May 10 1
    • Pandora scrolllock
      Gender, age, and more, too.

      I point this out not to take away from your point but to reinforce it. Report unlawful discrimination, no matter who you are.
      May 10
  • Amazon / Mgmt Db8db4
    Or maybe you are rusty. In any case, there are always challenges to overcome and there is no fair system. So you just need to try harder. Also wait until you hit 40+ as an IC, that's when shenanigans begin.
    May 10 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      That might the case, but I know I have grown 10x and know much more than before
      May 10
    • Amazon / Mgmt Db8db4
      Interview is not just about skill and competence, it is also a conversation about fit for the role. Read into it as you will.
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      The question is that how come their own guy will magically become naturally more fit?
      May 10
    • Uber vgruvcc
      Can you elaborate on those shenanigans
      May 10
    • Amazon / Mgmt Db8db4
      Basically, ageism (with excuses like "lack of growth potential")
      May 10
    • Thermo Fisher / Sales zeussical
      That’s something I don’t understand in the tech world. Most other areas of employment embrace someone that is 40 or over. That’s when you really hit your stride on knowledge and how to use that knowledge. Sure, when you’re 25 you still remember everything from college but there is no reason why someone who is 40 doesn’t know as much or more on modern things than someone younger.
      May 10
    • Amazon / Mgmt Db8db4
      Here is how it works: "technology is moving fast, so you need to keep up with it and constantly learn" plus (falsely) "the younger you are the easier it is to learn new things". Of course, acquired experience and wisdom is ignored. Look at Google hiring: solve leet code problems regardless of YOE.
      May 10
    • Uber vgruvcc
      I mean they work with the candidate towards the solution. It's more about problem solving. You don't need to memorize LC
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      I clearly know much more than young people with less than 5 yoe, it takes times to learn and get experience there is no magic pill
      May 10
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      How it is fair that fresh graduates or people with little experience tries to test your academic stuff like algorithm and data structures? While you are doing lots of system design and architecture on daily basis, aren't we giving huge benefit and favoritism to freshers, and setting stage for failure for experienced individuals by calling them rusty? Even though their strengths are very different and took years to attain. Although in my case, I was able to do those as well
      May 10
  • Fresenius Medical Care
    edElric

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    What BS. I’ve seen so many cases where American developers move out of a workplace because there are too many fob engineers. So that is one reason why you see that many Indian or Chinese people because of their willingness to adjust. Also, as a manager I’d like to hire people who will follow orders and adjust and not some arrogant employee who wont really care because he does not need to worry about work visa issues.
    May 11 8
    • Microsoft basis
      So as a manager you’d rather hire someone you have some leverage over? You should try reading a little about leadership because it sounds like you may be failing there.
      May 11
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      @edElric as a manager you want people who have constant worry about visa? So that you can take advantage of the their situation, what kind of sick metality is this? Are you really real for this...?
      May 11
    • Fresenius Medical Care
      edElric

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      I might be very wrong in saying this ethically. But there are a lot of people who think that way, be they of any color. Visa friendly polices are a way of retaining employees and that is a sad fact. And while you are at pin pointing specific points of my argument why don’t you respond to why majority of Americans don’t like adjusting to a place with a lot of fob engineers?
      May 11
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      Just because a fob engineer is desperate, doesn't mean everyone act the same way,
      May 11
    • Hubspot pluot
      If you need to blackmail your reports over their visa to keep them in line, what does that say about your ability as a manager? Does that mean you are not able to manage a team of non-fobs?

      Ethnic homogeneity can be toxic. If you are the only the member who cannot understand what the rest of your team is saying because they like to chat in their native language, that tends to drive you want to work elsewhere. As a no longer fresh, off boat (or plane) immigrant I can see both sides.
      May 11
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      edElric

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      FYI I’m not a manager. Also I am working with really good managers :) and I agree to your points but my argument is against ops post about why there are so many immigrant devs in companies. My Indian and Chinese managers don’t hire Indians or Chinese because they are racist but because they have no other options. Places like hubspot fb or google what have you will make talent stay but for below average companies which pays considerably less than tech companies, having a visa friendly strategy is very useful in retaining employees. Also you can bargain racial diversity for dev talent just so much when the company is not paying top dollar.
      May 11
    • Fresenius Medical Care
      edElric

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      And I haven’t seen any manager blackmail anyone on the visa situation. A lot of employees themselves stay because the company policy supports employees who get stuck on visa issues and have to travel home for a couple of months. So I might have mis represented that point before.
      May 11
    • Pandora scrolllock
      Jeez, throwing around “fob” like it isn’t a slur
      May 11
  • Amazon / Eng pinkcat
    What you are saying does happen in some team, but not all. There are indeed Sr managers who really want to hire a diverse mix by giving every candidate the option.
    May 11 0
  • Chase onlypjay
    OP
    These interviews should be recorded, and should be subject to audit to avoid racism, favoritism and all other shits that destroy the fabric of our society
    May 10 0
  • Google 7FwU30
    If it makes you feel better it's not favoritism as much as H1b slavery.
    May 13 2
    • Chase onlypjay
      OP
      If they are being paid much more than you,? then I don't think it's a slavery!
      May 13
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      It isn’t slavery. The worker can quit at any time.
      May 13

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