Rejections after you think you did well !

New arch135
May 14 45 Comments

Hi All
I recently got rejected by Amazon Google Verily and some other companies . During the interviews everything looks positive and I finish coding well before time as well mostly . After that I double check with them if it’s fine and they say it’s great or perfectly ok etc .. then I get these rejection emails and they never give any specific feedbacks . I remember for Amazon they asked a question and I started telling solution wrongly and I felt it’s wrong and about to rethink , by that time she told its great go ahead and code . I coded and screwed . Are most interviewers like that

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  • Indeed / Eng
    dxsiChk

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    If you converse the same way you type, it’s not surprising that you were rejected 🤷🏻‍♂️
    May 14 10
    • New arch135
      OP
      @indeed . Thanks for the feedback , I will keep working on those .
      May 14
    • Google PCBro
      I'd suggest taking writing courses to work on grammar
      May 14
    • New arch135
      OP
      Ok sure
      May 14
    • Microsoft whadaheck
      One obvious one is:

      I am John. VS I am John .

      Can you find out the difference?
      May 14
    • New arch135
      OP
      Space before period ?
      May 14
  • Intel minion59
    Wow, people, you don't have to be so nasty! arch135 asked for feedback to help, not jerky A-hole comments!!
    I have noticed alot of that on here lately. Are people just that negative anymore? Maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and your life and do something about it instead of berating others!! YOLO!
    May 14 4
    • New arch135
      OP
      Thanks for the support
      May 14
    • It’s not jerky comments. It’s honest constructive criticism. If everyone always tells you you are great, you will never improve. Nobody’s perfect and if you want to progress you need people to tell you honestly what they think no matter how painful this might be for you.
      May 14
    • New arch135
      OP
      Bazzingaa, agree with you . Constructive criticism will really help a lot even though it might be bitter ..
      May 14
    • New / Eng
      SanHolo

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      Tc = broke. Education: the Derek Zoolander school for kids who can’t read and want to do other stuff good too
      SanHolomore
      This is blind. The man up kicks the man down.
      May 14
  • Intel / Eng mr_pleb
    pr~ sounds like a fussy prick. Do you also leave your 3 year old to cross the street unattended to teach him a lesson ?

    If it's a coding test, leave the candidate the fuck alone to code and ask him about the code otherwise you'll always find another detail he hasn't addressed "Oh, but does your code cure cancer ? No ? I'm very sorry, you failed. You should have clarified if it's a tree that cures cancer or hiv."
    May 14 4
    • Microsoft / R&D pr~
      No, I won't leave 3 year old unattended (though I will see her from distance to let her feel independent) but 12 year old. Same goes with coding question, if yoe is 3, I will be happy to see the code only.
      Even for 12 yoe senior swe, I am not asking people to write code for all possible problems in the world but at the same time I expect them to know that there are bigger problems and they are at least aware and know about it.
      Acknowledge them, have a solution for that with pros and cons and come back to write the code for base.
      May 14
    • Intel / Eng mr_pleb
      Isn't that what system design is for ? Or at least have follow up discussions about how that algo could be used in practice in a specific area. If you just throw a coding problem and you have a hidden agenda it's just misleading and unfair for the candidate.

      Think about this: you use trees for whatever web apps, someone else uses trees for some machine learning algo. You go to the interview and start talking about your use of that concept while the interviewer expects something very different based on his experience. Doesn't make any sense to me.
      May 14
    • Microsoft / R&D pr~
      Agree. I set the expectations upfront in the introduction.
      May 14
    • Intel / Eng mr_pleb
      Ok, that sounds more reasonable. Thanks for clarifying. I have no interviewing experience but looking to it and this is exactly the kind of gotchas I'm afraid of.
      May 14
  • Amazon J.B.
    Which level?
    May 14 3
    • New arch135
      OP
      Senior SWE
      May 14
    • Amazon J.B.
      At this level, communication and the way you present your thoughts can impact your chances.
      May 14
    • New arch135
      OP
      Yes you are right .
      May 14
  • New vosk4
    You should improve your communication and thought process structure
    May 14 1
    • New arch135
      OP
      Agree. I see that as a point now . Thanks
      May 14
  • OP — If you’d like to work on verbal communication skills, I suggest joining Toastmasters.

    For written communication, try reading classical books written in English (like, Charles Dickens, John Steinbeck, etc). I guess you could also take courses a local community college.

    I agree with the above posts that at senior levels, communication becomes more and more important.
    May 14 1
    • New arch135
      OP
      Yes I would try these ways to learn to communicate more efficiently. Thanks
      May 14
  • Ascension Health / Eng
    10xUrTC

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    Maybe you should consider changing careers.
    May 14 0
  • BlackRock Ikqf10
    @microsoft I’m curious what questions can someone ask on horizontal vs vertical scaling or globalization etc on tree problems. I understand memory constraints hence use bfs instead of DFS but all other doesn’t apply for the question you mentioned ???
    May 14 3
    • Microsoft / R&D pr~
      To give you a hint, how you will keep trillions of node in a single server memory? Ask me, how many nodes. Ask me, how many such requests are coming per second. What's the pattern and so on. Want to get hired as senior, ask questions that matters.
      May 14
    • BlackRock Ikqf10
      🙏
      May 14
    • New arch135
      OP
      These things we consider in real world , but for interview the mindset is somehow code this and the tension and pressure on top .. sometimes I use to ask some of these, but sometimes only especially if you know you can solve . Else directly jump on to solving :(
      May 14
  • Microsoft / R&D pr~
    At your level coding is secondary, design skills, communication skills, thought processes are more important.
    Once your recruiter said, no, go ahead with whatever you thought, it was a strong warning. I usually say this when I have already made my mind of no hire.
    How do you approach a problem? Do you ask clarification? Do you consider scale, maintainability, once or reusability, memory & cpu constraints, localisation, globalisation, horizontal v/s vertical scaling? I am not saying to implement all of them but mention.
    For example, given a question to find the sum of all elements under a subtree, how you will approach it?
    If you jump to algorithm with out considering all of the above points mentioned, I will have no hesitation to put no hire even before you start writing any code.
    May 14 1
    • New arch135
      OP
      Thanks a lot for the insights . I ask clarification, tell couple of test cases and may be 1-2 edge cases and then straight to algo . Memory and all may be I consider while deciding on the ds and algo but I usually don’t talk on any of those . Thanks a lot for giving me the ideas
      May 14
  • Two Sigma Omfsm
    Interviewing is a random process. Furthermore the companies you mentioned have an explicit policy to be nice to interviewees.

    With more real interviewing (yeah, I think real interviews are far more helpful than mock ones) you'll get a better feel as to evaluating how they went. Do those with companies you don't care about, to get real training. Even then, you don't know much - the interviewer asked the same question multiple times, and calibrated it. You have no idea.

    Also, spend time on websites such as hackerrank or codesignal. Doing coding questions really well is more than half the battle.
    May 14 1
  • Snapchat eeXB43
    Do mock interviews. You probably have weaknesses and shortcomings that you are not aware of. Get other people’s opinion.
    May 14 1
    • New arch135
      OP
      Thanks , Yes I am doing .. I guess I get really tensed during real interviews .
      May 14
  • New / Eng / ÷
    Those extra spaces ...
    May 14 0
  • Amazon / Eng DeepObsess
    Practice discussing technical stuff with your colleagues. At senior levels, professional opinions matter a lot. I think you should work on the ability to have a fun and engaging technical conversation with anyone in your team
    May 14 1
    • New arch135
      OP
      Yes currently I don’t do much of these
      May 14
  • Qualtrics
    Tommy H

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    I had the same experience (Facebook x2, Zillow, WeWork) all seemed to go well but you get no real feedback.

    Mock interviews (YouTube videos, podcast etc are good helpers in structuring your answers). Also, it’s pretty subjective at the end of the day.

    If you’re interviewing to do a job that you “know how to do” but just at a new company compared to trying a new discipline, you’re most likely going to feel like you did well - because of course you know how to do that job and can solve problems. But it’s also are you better than the other people that apply etc. it’s a simple thing but realizing that was helpful
    May 14 1
    • New arch135
      OP
      Yes you have a point, thanks . I might be lacking in presentation and may not be better than most of them .
      May 14