SDE I offer from Amazon with 4 YOE

Clarifai vWoy44
Mar 26 38 Comments

Base 114k
Sign on y1 38k y2 28k
RSU 55 shares

Those are initial numbers. Will consider only if the offer is improved. The recrutier asked my feedback after told me the details. What can be improved? It’s based in NYC.

Updated:
130k base
48k & 38k sign on
68 RSU

Also received a late stage startup in NYC offer 200k TC
Any thoughts are welcome

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  • Juniper / Eng
    u71ghty

    Juniper Eng

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    Juniper Networks
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    Software engineering intern, juniper networking. Software engineer, Tata Elxsi. Master's in Computer Engineering, San Jose State University. Computer Vision.
    u71ghtymore
    Base - 130k (at least)
    Rsu - 70 shares
    Mar 26 6
    • Juniper / Eng
      u71ghty

      Juniper Eng

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      Juniper Networks
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      Software engineering intern, juniper networking. Software engineer, Tata Elxsi. Master's in Computer Engineering, San Jose State University. Computer Vision.
      u71ghtymore
      That's what Blind is for.

      https://teamcandor.com/salary/guide/
      Mar 26
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Thanks
      Mar 26
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Thanks for the numbers! Recruiter came back with a similar one except 2 less shares of RSU
      Mar 30
    • Juniper / Eng
      u71ghty

      Juniper Eng

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      Juniper Networks
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      Software engineering intern, juniper networking. Software engineer, Tata Elxsi. Master's in Computer Engineering, San Jose State University. Computer Vision.
      u71ghtymore
      130k and 68 shares?
      Mar 30
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Yes, they also bumped up 10k sign on for each year. See my latest reply for the updates
      Mar 30
  • Amazon oIgT44
    It's lower than you expected because you probably got downleveled feom sde2 to sde1 in the interview. With 4 yoe you should be able to get promoted in <1 year if you're decent
    Mar 26 6
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      I understand it’s downleveled, unless the position they referred me is SDE I? Didn’t ask the recruiter what’s the level in the first place. However this looks like new grads SDE I offer
      Mar 26
    • Amazon oIgT44
      I went from sde1 to 2 in 8 months and another dude on my team went from new grad to sde2 in 14 months. It's 100% doable. The sde2 bar is not high
      Mar 26
    • Amazon oIgT44
      Im in seattle so the TC is slightly lower than NY but 155k for sde1 in seattle is probably mid/upper mid tier, not the highest but definitdly a bit more than new grad offer. Competing offers would definitely get you more comp though
      Mar 26
    • Amazon oIgT44
      Honestly even if you did join and get to sde2 you wouldn't get that much of s raise, they'd just bump you to the bottom of the sde2 band, but if you came in as an sde2 you'd start at the upper middle of sde2. If you can pull off a non new grad level from another company I'd probably do that instead of joining
      Mar 26
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      I’m not actively interviewing atm. I’ll try talk to the recruiter to see how much can be improved
      Mar 26
  • Cruise Automation jefeb
    This is worse than new grad offer wow (for Amazon)
    Mar 26 1
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      I know! Literally told the recrutier that’s below expectation on spot
      Mar 26
  • Facebook / Eng devvm
    Can you interview with more companies? You might be able to pull off equivalent of SDE2 somewhere with 4yoe. Amazon will make you sweat for a while for that promotion (can easily take 2.5y+ depending on team and your performance)
    Mar 26 2
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Honestly that’s my expectation for the next role. I was planing to start interview in a month or two. Amazon recruiter just happened to contacted me at this time
      Mar 26
    • Amazon judgefudge
      Not really. I’ve seen L4s promoting in 8 months.
      Mar 26
  • Amazon carr carr
    typical amazon low ball. dont take it
    Mar 26 1
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Won’t take this for sure. I’m wondering how much can be improved
      Mar 26
  • Amazon pforjusutt
    TC you should aim with 4 yoe should be 170k.

    You have 152k
    Mar 26 1
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Got it. I guess I’ll talk to them. If it doesn’t work out then too bad. The recruiter said the feedbacks are mostly positive. I didn’t have a perfect interview loop but it was decent. Messed up one coding round but that i did great on the LP and the interview said you are so close to it. The design is not perfect but it’s decent, that Senior SDE told me his favorite LP is hiring and developing the best, then I knew he’s the bar raiser
      Mar 26
  • Clarifai vWoy44
    OP
    Recruiter told me the new numbers after I stated my counter. 130k base, 68 shares RSU, 48k and 38k for the sign on, which is slightly worse than my counter. It’s a good offer for this position. Any thoughts?
    Mar 29 10
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      1.5 exactly at my current company
      Mar 30
    • Juniper / Eng
      u71ghty

      Juniper Eng

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      Juniper Networks
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      Software engineering intern, juniper networking. Software engineer, Tata Elxsi. Master's in Computer Engineering, San Jose State University. Computer Vision.
      u71ghtymore
      Another 10k in base and 20 shares would be a great offer! But I guess you should've negotiated for SDE2 for that.. it's your decision from here! All the best.
      Mar 30
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Thought level can’t be budged at Amazon? I think they are reluctant to increase the base. I asked for 134k. Thank you for all the help!
      Mar 30
    • Juniper / Eng
      u71ghty

      Juniper Eng

      PRE
      Juniper Networks
      BIO
      Software engineering intern, juniper networking. Software engineer, Tata Elxsi. Master's in Computer Engineering, San Jose State University. Computer Vision.
      u71ghtymore
      Ya, the hardest to increase is base. They don't an annual bonus either?
      Mar 30
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      No they don’t. In the offer it says no pay for additional work time as well. It’s a fairly new team and has 8 people so far. One senior 3 II and 3 I (seems like all new grads) on call shouldn’t be bad. Heard the manager is nice and he just been promoted to this position
      Mar 30
  • How much is your clarifai TC? are ML engineers there doing real ML stuff or just deployment, QA, and ops stuff?
    Apr 3 1
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      Definitely below average. Don’t recommend coming here if you have other option. The only good thing is that the work is very interesting and challenging if you are into computer vision and object detection stuff. I do think ML engineers doing real ML stuff
      Apr 4
  • Amazon odVN70
    You can only get so much for SDE1 at Amazon. None of which will justify your 4 yoe unless you've been doing nothing substantial during that time. Think you should expect to decline the offer, but at least see how much more they're willing to give.
    Mar 26 1
    • Clarifai vWoy44
      OP
      That’s fair. I’ve doing pretty interesting and scalable systems for object detection during the past year. Yeah I’m interesting to see how much more they are willing to give. The recruiter said tell me what do you think and we can work on that. Though I don’t have much expectation
      Mar 27

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