Senior Swe at Microsoft to linkedin level

Microsoft hyTE58
Jun 14 25 Comments

Level 63 at ms.. 8 years exp.. Based on levels.fyi I applied to a staff Swe position at LinkedIn.. Spoke to a recruiter who said it's up to me, but I may be more suited for a Senior SWE role.. She said staff Swe requires a lot of prior leadership experience including direct reports..

How accurate is that? I have some technical leadership experience and interns but nothing beyond that.. Has anyone interviewed for Staff Swe - what is it like? How is it different from Senior..

Is staff in linkedin like principal at Microsoft?

Should i even consider senior Swe? On LinkedIn I saw senior Swe engineer profiles with as little as 2 years of total experience but also a few with 10 years.. How easy is it to get to Staff from Senior once I join?

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  • Apple beffjezous
    Recruiters lie through their teeth to get you hired, their job is to low ball you. I feel that they are worse than Voldemort in Harry Potter
    Jun 14 0
  • Microsoft xnxhfeet
    usual stuff

    recruiter lied to you

    staff doesn’t have reports at linkedin,
    it maps roughly to Senior at Microsoft
    staff at linkedin are like tech leads

    it seems that nowadays linkedin tries to downgrade people from MS heavily, i don’t know why they do this, maybe they know that our TC is shit and they can easily beat it even with the numbers from 1 level below
    Jun 14 4
    • Microsoft hyTE58
      OP
      Probably stupid of me to think the recruiter wouldn't lie.. She didn't say staff Swe in LI have reports.. But she said they expect candidates coming in to have managerial experience.. Which didn't make sense to me.. Have you interviewed there?
      Jun 14
    • Microsoft xnxhfeet
      yeah, had the interview with them this year

      had the same issue as you, pinged my friend in LI who clarified this
      Jun 14
    • Microsoft hyTE58
      OP
      Are you saying I should interview for Staff? How was your interview experience?
      Jun 14
    • Microsoft xnxhfeet
      Yes, you should go for staff

      You can always downgrade yourself later

      just bring good projects from your experience to show your tech lead skills
      Jun 14
  • LinkedIn
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    TF.more
    Staff is 64 atleast. Try for staff, to answer other questions, senior at 2 years is possible, bands are huge here unlike MS. Also, getting staff internally is not easy
    Jun 15 5
    • LinkedIn / Eng flock
      They are exceptional folks. LinkedIn channel is full of people grumbling about the difficulty of promotion to Staff.
      Jun 15
    • LinkedIn yoyobabe
      I know a guy who moved from infra team from LI - staff to Sr. Engineer at MS
      Recruiter is lying.
      I know folks who are 8+ and staff in Linkedin
      All depends on how you perform in the interview
      You are the brand not LI or MS
      Jun 15
    • LinkedIn
      TF.

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      64 is sr in ms
      Jun 15
    • LinkedIn
      TF.

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      I won't say exceptional but yeah they are pretty smart and hard-working
      Jun 15
    • LinkedIn MxAu52
      Staff’s are tech leads- so if you aren’t leading cross team projects you most likely don’t qualify... and 63 is definitely Sr.Swe
      Jun 22
  • LinkedIn nJFE36
    I know someone promoted to staff with 5 yoe in LinkedIn. But there are only 10 staff out of 100+ engs in that org. I mean you can always try to interview staff position if you believe you are smarter than the other 40~90 seniors😀
    Jun 15 0
  • LinkedIn / Eng flock
    Staff is roughly equivalent to 64-65.
    Jun 14 0
  • Microsoft / Eng dungarees
    At Microsoft exceptional folk would make it to 63 in 4.5-5 years..
    Jun 15 2
    • Microsoft / IT
      LeadbyXpl3

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      Six years in MSFT still 62- depends on your team/manager. I have got the worst managers you can think of.
      Jun 15
    • Microsoft / Eng dungarees
      Not surprised.. I was talking about truly exceptional cases - really smart people with great managers.. Otherwise I've seen anywhere from 7-10 years..
      Jun 15
  • LinkedIn
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    LinkedIn will pay you more anytime from MS, forget what level you are in right now, i dont care about titles that much, its money and work
    Jun 15 1
    • LinkedIn JustDoIt!!
      Yes. Focus on work and learning. Money and promos will follow. Titles are mostly BS (meaningful within a company but of limited use comparing across companies). From what I've seen, people who think they are entitled to a promo every X years just for doing a decent job are not people I want on my team. Fewer levels means large range within each level which means you can get the things that matter without a promo.
      Jun 16
  • Apple beffjezous
    2 yoe and a senior? 😑😑😑 it’s either fake or LI don’t know what they are doing
    Jun 14 1
    • Microsoft hyTE58
      OP
      Yep.. Seniors Swe at LinkedIn.. These were people that joined as fresh grads in 2016 /2017.. LI fresh grads join as Swe.. And the next level up is senior..
      Jun 14
  • LinkedIn randomni
    You can make it to senior swe in 1 year at LinkedIn but it depends on the org. I heard infra is harder. Senior just means you can bring feature in without somebody else telling you how to do it and what to do. Staff usually means that you can see the context and business needs and can direct the whole team towards what to work on.
    Jun 16 0
  • LinkedIn zjpl43
    TC aside, there is certain expectation associated with the staff title, and there are only so much demand for staff engineers in an org, stemming either from business need or from organizational need. Not saying these constraints are so firm, but they are there. In general, the higher level you are, the more yoe you have, the narrower your careers choice would be. From recruiter's point of view, they think you have higher chance to get hired at sr level. At the end of the day, rules are man-made and are subject to negotiation.
    Jun 15 0
  • LinkedIn okpC64
    You should try for staff level at linkedin.
    Jun 15 0
  • Microsoft / Data
    flappybird

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    flappybirdmore
    Staff should be the minimum
    Jun 15 0

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