Reducing over represention is not racist. Asian immigrants who come here come with money, so if course their kids will do well. It forces this country to do things like this to give poor (and even middle class) kids a chance to succeed.
Nobody would disagree that poor kids should have a chance to succeed.
But why is the lefty solution to that to reduce the meaning of “success”?
If you’re playing a game and the “Hard” level is too difficult, do you usually force the developer to make it easier or you work to improve your skills?
Why is no one talking about how to improve the scores of poor kids? Why is the focus on how to shove them in anyway? It’s pure laziness. Taking the easy way out, because what really matters to these muppets is showing everybody how much they care. Virtue-signalling.
Discriminating based on a person's race is the definition of racism. You want to reduce over-representation of rich kids, you assume all Asians are rich and go after Asian kids. A normal person would try to tackle the problem head-on, but Democrats are always getting things ass-backwards.
What did you except? It’s in our DNA. You only stick to the people that looks and act like you. That’s how evolution works. Racism is not going to end not now not in 100 years. Racism is against everyone white, black, Arabs, everyone. So don’t bring up the Asian shit. With China getting stronger, it will only get worse. Remember what we did to the Japanese in WW2?
What makes me disillusioned here is, what do you tell those kids, who have been working hard day and night and who have been believing in merit. You tell them - hey you may have worked really hard to get this score - but we will punish you for working hard and merit isn't our criteria? You do realize just because he was born Asian, he should not be penalized.
We actually need people of all socio economic status, not of particular race. It is possible someone had a terrible family - schools that are unsafe to even walk to. Those are the stuffs that matter. Those could be correlated with blacks - that shouldn't matter.
If someone is black, but both their parents are earning tons of money, have the privilege, why would you give their kid preferential placement because of their race?
Check this video - it is about admission to college comparing 3 kids - a black an Asian and a white kid.
The black kid doesn't have a broken family. He has immigrant parents who have taught him value of education, something they immensely benefited themselves. These are people who don't need better treatment. That kid is smart as well.
If the system should help blacks, it shouldn't be kids like him. It should be folks, like I said above, who go to rating 1 school district , whose classes are often cancelled because there was shooting near campus and such. They could be predominantly blacks, but that's immaterial.
For example, adversity score should be based on schools rating, crime rates and such- all of which are criteria that you can improve. It can't be based on race, which no one can change. Also you should make sure adversity scores are for the duration of study in the school - so folks simply don't transfer final year of school and claim adversity. In other words, criteria can't be something that's immutable, but something that's measurable and if improved can get them out of affirmative treatment.
By using immutable characteristic, you have either given up hope that a particular race can improve - or you are letting folks do politics with race, instead the focus should be on improving the adversity.
Again to be clear, as someone of privilege, I never went to a school that had terrible rating, nor did I grow up in a broken family. But i know many who had systemic roadblocks to succeed in life. And they deserve to be treated better. But to bin all of those who faced adversity based on race is plain wrong.
That vice documentary was really an eye opener for me. I used to be on the other side, but I am clear now where I stand on this issue.
Rich kids do test prep and poor kids usually don’t have the resources; their parents may not have gone to college and don’t know the things that will help their student; poor schools don’t even offer AP classes and whatnot (at least mine did not.)
Testing is just a standardized way to process students... it’s terrible at gauging real skill (other than memorization and test taking techniques) or understanding.
(I used to work for a company that designed and graded standardized tests for middle and high school students.)
Sure there are many. Portfolio based assessment is the one favored by private schools. Funny how testing is touted for public schools by both political parties while private schools for rich kids emphasize holistic education.
Thanks! The first link says we should use acceptance at exclusive colleges as a prediction target. This seems ok except that it rewards strategies like "not admitting Asians" or "helping kids write admissions essays"
The second link is great, but its prediction target seems to be "international standardized tests" and its prediction technique seems to be "did the student go to school in Finland or not"
Standardized testing fundamentally tests test-taking abilities. What do you think test prep services provide? If it was actual knowledge the service would just be tutoring.
I think poor kids should have the opportunities to learn holistically just like rich kids in private schools; teachers should have greater say in developing curriculum than politicians and administrators.
Now show me the stats for how increased standardized testing has increased knowledge or skill among students. I can’t be bothered to look it up, but I think increased testing has even led to lower test scores.
What gain exactly do you think lowering the bar for the sake of “diversity” will help achieve?
You think as long as they’re present in the school, the circumstances that led to them having low entrance scores in the first place will magically vanish? Or they won’t continue to perform below par in those schools?
Of course, the next step will be to lower the bar in school assessments and exams. Cheapen it all.
Then lower the bar for college admissions. Oh wait that’s already taken care of.
How do you expect society to progress if the automatic solution for a group having lower performance on average is to lower the standards for them?
“When given pessimistic information about social mobility ... right-wing respondents’ support for redistribution did not change.”
The immigration argument is odd to me - you’re saying immigration skews the mobility numbers? Yet Italy has refugees and still has more mobility. In addition African Americans and Native Americans (two groups with probably the least amount of recent immigrants) have lower mobility than Asians or Latinos.
First off, it is completely stupid to do that. I’d fire someone who did that straight up, just for being such an idiot.
However, there could be situations where one was ignorant or their brain just happened to be filled with sawdust and there was no race-based malice in the “monkey” insult. Certain cultures just don’t appreciate the weight of that with respect to black people.
And of course, what if the person was comparing behaviours (say, hyperactivity), and the person just said the first thing that popped up, without using their brain?
I don’t know, maybe I’m being too forgiving.
P.S: I’m not claiming there are no instances of racist Asians (Chinese, Indians, etc). I believe racists can be found everywhere.
You guys are right. But what you are missing is that the "Asians" from the countries mentioned come here with a different mentality. Then the average Americans especially than Hispanics, African Americans. What? They didn't face mental oppression from white supremacy because they come with a fresh hungry mind and around people who look just like them. Or they culturally come with education is promoted in the Asian country on average. It's a culture thing. These give them a big advantage coming here. That most minorities don't have in the USA or poor in general. You just can't change the cultural oppressed mindset takes a long time. So yes they will do better on average than Americans. It largely has to do with Americans that keeps so many oppressed.