Shameful how racism against people of Asian origin is so normalised

Microsoft HellNaw
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  • Workday XYea87
    Reducing over represention is not racist. Asian immigrants who come here come with money, so if course their kids will do well. It forces this country to do things like this to give poor (and even middle class) kids a chance to succeed.
    May 29 6
    • Microsoft HellNaw
      OP
      Humans never learn.

      Once upon a time, it was Jews that were “over-represented”. And some German guy rose up and decided to “reduce their over-representation”.

      I’m not calling you Hitler, but I hope this shows you the absurdity of your argument.
      May 29
    • Pinterest invs44
      A lot of Asians came here with nothing, especially those who arrived before 2000
      May 29
    • Microsoft HellNaw
      OP
      Nobody would disagree that poor kids should have a chance to succeed.

      But why is the lefty solution to that to reduce the meaning of “success”?

      If you’re playing a game and the “Hard” level is too difficult, do you usually force the developer to make it easier or you work to improve your skills?

      Why is no one talking about how to improve the scores of poor kids? Why is the focus on how to shove them in anyway? It’s pure laziness. Taking the easy way out, because what really matters to these muppets is showing everybody how much they care. Virtue-signalling.
      May 29
    • Oracle pzd
      Discriminating based on a person's race is the definition of racism. You want to reduce over-representation of rich kids, you assume all Asians are rich and go after Asian kids. A normal person would try to tackle the problem head-on, but Democrats are always getting things ass-backwards.
      May 29
    • Vietnamese, Phillipino, Indonesian, Bangladeshis and Burmese are all Asians. And are not necessarily loaded with money

      But I know racists like you think All Asians are the same
      May 29
  • Racism is apparently ok if it’s against Asians and Indians
    May 29 17
    • GTFO? Damn you must be a Rhodes scholar

      In any case you have nothing to say against Omar’s anti Jewish statements.

      So that could mean

      A) you didn’t know about the “dual loyalty” statement. But now that you do you refuse to acknowledge it making you intellectually dishonest.

      B) you knew about it and still support her. That makes you an anti-semite

      C) you don’t believe the news article from Atlantic as you believe the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC. That makes you a brain washed idiot

      My guess is you are a combo of A and C
      May 29
    • F5 Networks dontalk2me
      Total Dumbass 😂
      May 29
    • So we are sticking with C
      May 29
    • F5 Networks dontalk2me
      D for Dumbass
      May 29
    • Sure you be D then
      Whatever your bird brain needs to be
      You do you
      May 29
  • New sjrS68
    What did you except? It’s in our DNA. You only stick to the people that looks and act like you. That’s how evolution works. Racism is not going to end not now not in 100 years. Racism is against everyone white, black, Arabs, everyone. So don’t bring up the Asian shit. With China getting stronger, it will only get worse. Remember what we did to the Japanese in WW2?
    May 29 12
    • Lyft ihb47
      Japanese subs were literally shelling Santa Barbara at the time these camps were setup
      May 29
    • Amazon Djwofnr
      Still interning your own citizens. Also why didn't they intern Germans?
      May 29
    • New sjrS68
      25% of the county is German or has some German roots. Germans are the third minority (I think after Irish and English)
      May 29
    • Oracle pzd
      Germans also happen to be mostly white 😆
      May 29
    • Capital One
      Drake

      Capital One

      BIO
      Nothing was the same.
      Drakemore
      Who said they didn't know about Japanese American concentration camps?
      May 29
  • Google / Eng AstroTelr
    What makes me disillusioned here is, what do you tell those kids, who have been working hard day and night and who have been believing in merit. You tell them - hey you may have worked really hard to get this score - but we will punish you for working hard and merit isn't our criteria? You do realize just because he was born Asian, he should not be penalized.

    We actually need people of all socio economic status, not of particular race. It is possible someone had a terrible family - schools that are unsafe to even walk to. Those are the stuffs that matter. Those could be correlated with blacks - that shouldn't matter.

    If someone is black, but both their parents are earning tons of money, have the privilege, why would you give their kid preferential placement because of their race?

    https://youtu.be/746jJ9jzNlQ

    Check this video - it is about admission to college comparing 3 kids - a black an Asian and a white kid.

    The black kid doesn't have a broken family. He has immigrant parents who have taught him value of education, something they immensely benefited themselves. These are people who don't need better treatment. That kid is smart as well.

    If the system should help blacks, it shouldn't be kids like him. It should be folks, like I said above, who go to rating 1 school district , whose classes are often cancelled because there was shooting near campus and such. They could be predominantly blacks, but that's immaterial.

    For example, adversity score should be based on schools rating, crime rates and such- all of which are criteria that you can improve. It can't be based on race, which no one can change. Also you should make sure adversity scores are for the duration of study in the school - so folks simply don't transfer final year of school and claim adversity. In other words, criteria can't be something that's immutable, but something that's measurable and if improved can get them out of affirmative treatment.

    By using immutable characteristic, you have either given up hope that a particular race can improve - or you are letting folks do politics with race, instead the focus should be on improving the adversity.

    Again to be clear, as someone of privilege, I never went to a school that had terrible rating, nor did I grow up in a broken family. But i know many who had systemic roadblocks to succeed in life. And they deserve to be treated better. But to bin all of those who faced adversity based on race is plain wrong.

    That vice documentary was really an eye opener for me. I used to be on the other side, but I am clear now where I stand on this issue.
    May 29 0
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Re: testing

    Rich kids do test prep and poor kids usually don’t have the resources; their parents may not have gone to college and don’t know the things that will help their student; poor schools don’t even offer AP classes and whatnot (at least mine did not.)

    Testing is just a standardized way to process students... it’s terrible at gauging real skill (other than memorization and test taking techniques) or understanding.

    (I used to work for a company that designed and graded standardized tests for middle and high school students.)
    May 29 15
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      Yes the most important feature is "it doesn't care what your race is"
      May 29
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Sure there are many. Portfolio based assessment is the one favored by private schools. Funny how testing is touted for public schools by both political parties while private schools for rich kids emphasize holistic education.

      gle.com/amp/s/kkkk://www.privateschoolreview.com/amp/blog/why-do-private-schools-not-have-to-teach-to-the-test

      Finland is also a good place to look: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/
      May 29
    • Cloudflare / Eng myimouto
      Thanks! The first link says we should use acceptance at exclusive colleges as a prediction target. This seems ok except that it rewards strategies like "not admitting Asians" or "helping kids write admissions essays"

      The second link is great, but its prediction target seems to be "international standardized tests" and its prediction technique seems to be "did the student go to school in Finland or not"
      May 29
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      How is that inherent in the alternative model?

      Standardized testing fundamentally tests test-taking abilities. What do you think test prep services provide? If it was actual knowledge the service would just be tutoring.

      I think poor kids should have the opportunities to learn holistically just like rich kids in private schools; teachers should have greater say in developing curriculum than politicians and administrators.

      Now show me the stats for how increased standardized testing has increased knowledge or skill among students. I can’t be bothered to look it up, but I think increased testing has even led to lower test scores.
      May 29
    • Cloudflare / Eng myimouto
      How is what inherent in what?

      I asked a fairly specific question and you gave some irrelevant reply. I am still interested in learning about this topic.

      I didn't make any claims about how the US education system leads to any particular outcomes, so I won't provide any citations for the claims I didn't make.

      I didn't work hard. I have never seen a test prep course. An adult responsible for me left me an SAT prep book and I failed to open it.
      May 29
  • Target / Eng tmDe33
    City-journal is a far right wing media source.
    May 29 5
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      Ok so enlighten us on what’s exactly going on here. I want to see the other perspective.
      May 29
    • Target / Eng tmDe33
      I'm not making any arguments. I'm telling you OP is arguing in bad faith by using a biased source.
      May 29
    • Google C50dKt
      "Stop speaking out against this racist policy that's what the bigots want you to do!"

      🤔
      May 29
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      Ok I want to see what is the article with good faith.
      May 29
    • Microsoft HellNaw
      OP
      Lmao I wonder how exactly the source of the article makes my assertions “bad faith”.

      Were there lies in there about the silenced Asian girl or the casually racist black woman? Isn’t De Blasio trying to “reduce overrepresentation”, as a nice lefty above lovingly framed it?

      I wonder what part of calling racism disgusting is “arguing in bad faith”.

      If a “far right wing” source says the sky is blue, you’d attach bad faith to that too, huh?
      May 31
  • Exer Urgent Care dsp0703
    Asians need to wake the F up and vote GOP. The Democrats don't care about them.
    May 29 3
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Yes, the GOP will need the cover as the US ramps up anti-China sentiment.
      May 29
    • Exer Urgent Care dsp0703
      China is a formidable rival that has screwed us on lopsided trade deals and engaged in cyberattacks, IP theft, and spying. Retaliating against them is not racist.
      May 29
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Sure, but the US usually does that through pumping up racial animosity among the population like against Japan in the 80s.
      May 29
  • Google C50dKt
    What are the Asian voters going to do, vote Republican?

    DeBlasio knows this will win over the black voting bloc while the asian voters are too few in numbers to sway elections, if they decide to switch at all.
    May 29 1
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      Fun thing is that black voters won’t vote over this issue at all but Asians will.
      May 29
  • Microsoft HellNaw
    OP
    What gain exactly do you think lowering the bar for the sake of “diversity” will help achieve?

    You think as long as they’re present in the school, the circumstances that led to them having low entrance scores in the first place will magically vanish? Or they won’t continue to perform below par in those schools?

    Of course, the next step will be to lower the bar in school assessments and exams. Cheapen it all.

    Then lower the bar for college admissions. Oh wait that’s already taken care of.

    How do you expect society to progress if the automatic solution for a group having lower performance on average is to lower the standards for them?
    May 29 0
  • Microsoft iiieeegemm
    So sick of the elite school bs here
    May 29 4
    • Cloudflare / Eng myimouto
      can u clarify. It seems like "gifted" kids really do benefit from not going to the same schools and classes as everyone else.
      May 29
    • Microsoft iiieeegemm
      Gifted I guess. But schools should all be good. Not goddamn elite. That just screams inequity and that pisses me off.

      Every kid deserves a great education. If some kids learn faster, then they should go to a school for them. I have no problem with that.

      But it should not mean "better".
      May 29
    • Cloudflare / Eng myimouto
      great! funding schools with local property taxes sucks
      May 29
    • Microsoft iiieeegemm
      That's the US for you
      May 29
  • Oracle iwantfang
    Disgusting
    May 29 0
  • New / IT
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    Anything that is not based on merit have no right to exist.
    May 29 12
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      ^ saw this but this is not immigration adjusted. The countries with mass low skilled immigration tend to suffer in the short term. Also this one measures relative mobility.
      May 29
    • New / IT
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      You are mixing merit with the equality of opportunity. Very different subjects, but both are critical for the society to be successful.
      May 29
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      You can see the study by Borjas that low skilled immigrants have low social mobility in the US.
      May 29
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Lol, from the economist article:

      “When given pessimistic information about social mobility ... right-wing respondents’ support for redistribution did not change.”

      The immigration argument is odd to me - you’re saying immigration skews the mobility numbers? Yet Italy has refugees and still has more mobility. In addition African Americans and Native Americans (two groups with probably the least amount of recent immigrants) have lower mobility than Asians or Latinos.

      http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race_paper.pdf
      May 29
  • Bain & Company uqRH20
    It's really sad how the US is still so focused on the color of the skin. Honestly there should be more focus on merit.
    May 30 9
    • Microsoft HellNaw
      OP
      I don’t know, I feel we need to draw the line between what is racially insensitive and what is racist.
      May 31
    • New / IT
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      svmlmore
      True, but openly calling black person a “monkey” is quite bad. Check YouTube.
      May 31
    • Microsoft HellNaw
      OP
      Depends.

      First off, it is completely stupid to do that. I’d fire someone who did that straight up, just for being such an idiot.

      However, there could be situations where one was ignorant or their brain just happened to be filled with sawdust and there was no race-based malice in the “monkey” insult. Certain cultures just don’t appreciate the weight of that with respect to black people.

      And of course, what if the person was comparing behaviours (say, hyperactivity), and the person just said the first thing that popped up, without using their brain?

      I don’t know, maybe I’m being too forgiving.

      P.S: I’m not claiming there are no instances of racist Asians (Chinese, Indians, etc). I believe racists can be found everywhere.
      May 31
    • Microsoft HellNaw
      OP
      I’m just the kind of guy who does his best to conclude “idiot” before “racist”.

      Incompetence before malice. Hanlon’s Razor.
      May 31
    • New / IT
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      One should always give benefit of the doubt, just not too much. My personal experience with Chinese people - both mainland and Taiwan is extremely positive.
      May 31
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Yeah anti-immigration xenophobia and the government’s demonization of Japanese and now Chinese economic competition sucks.

    Also the model minority myth is pretty harmful and racist too.
    May 29 0
  • You guys are right. But what you are missing is that the "Asians" from the countries mentioned come here with a different mentality. Then the average Americans especially than Hispanics, African Americans. What? They didn't face mental oppression from white supremacy because they come with a fresh hungry mind and around people who look just like them. Or they culturally come with education is promoted in the Asian country on average. It's a culture thing. These give them a big advantage coming here. That most minorities don't have in the USA or poor in general. You just can't change the cultural oppressed mindset takes a long time. So yes they will do better on average than Americans. It largely has to do with Americans that keeps so many oppressed.
    Jul 22 0
  • Apple bbuah
    Yup
    May 29 0