Should I leave Facebook?

Facebook / Eng zuck1573
Apr 12 37 Comments

I’ve been working at FB for a few years, joined after internship, quickly progressed to E5 and always had good relationships with teams and managers. So, I pretty much enjoy it so far.

In the same time, I feel like I still lack some fundamental engineering skills like building systems from ground up (I like getting my hands dirty in infra stuff) without having tons of already built tools around.

That’s why I’m thinking about accepting the offer from one of the prop shops (London) which I know has smart people and interesting projects around building high perf infra to support quants. It is front office and they said my work will be highly visible. They matched E5 TC which is around £200k however can’t guarantee more for my 3 yoe.

What does the community here think? That company has limited headcount as opposed to facebook which hiring process never stops. So, I think I can always come back. I also really enjoy the projects they offer. I just don’t want to lose my current “position”: team/manager.

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TOP 37 Comments
  • VMware ufdcbh
    E5 with 3 yoe?
    That's bananas
    Apr 12 5
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      What’s wrong with that?
      Apr 12
    • Facebook / Eng Pank
      E5 means mature skilled engineer who kept his/her hands dirty at least for 6-7 years. 3 yoe is crazy low for e5
      Apr 12
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      Well, I always deliver the same quality work as my fellow E5s in the team with >7 yoe. So levels are subjective to the company’s definition. But I agree, promo happened to me too early industry wise
      Apr 12
    • Facebook wootness
      You can be producing at E5 level in a given comfort zone where you grew professionally. It does not always translate into industry level E5. So I would def move an get that more deeper and diverse experience. Tech leads need miles. Not all miles are equal, so having 10 yoe does not mean you are always more experienced than even at 3 yoe, but diversity of those miles matters
      Apr 12
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      This is exactly my thought and reason to move!
      Apr 12
  • Google bbell_curl
    Eh, space x engineers build rockets without know how to mine and refine ore. Elon probably doesn’t know either. Where do you draw the line for fundamentals? Before you know it, you are thinking about leaving a job designing silicon chips to learn how to refine silicon because it’s fundamental.
    Apr 12 4
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      I’m leaving this job to know more about finance field and now math is applied there. I always wanted to know that, so thinking about taking this (rare tbh) opportunity. I will have huge technical scope there and cozy team at the same time. You’re right, the line here can be obscure, but that’s how I feel at the moment: I need to learn how to build shit. FB is too big already to learn it as it either has a big legacy or already built things, so one ends up building on top. Icy be wrong, that’s why asking community
      Apr 12
    • Tesla laodidhd
      Hahaha don’t agree 100% but was definitely funny.
      Apr 12
    • Twitter iLCforFun
      Elon does know the fundamentals of rocket science though.
      Apr 12
    • Google bbell_curl
      Where do you draw the line for fundamentals? Go down the rabbit hole and the fundamentals go down to digging for rocks and in pretty sure Elon doesn’t have much experience mining for iron ore...
      Apr 12
  • Amazon bHXi80
    Seems like a dream job to me that you are leaving. If pays is good and team is great. I don’t see why you want to leave to learn...get a class online or go to meetups instead
    Apr 12 0
  • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
    OP
    FWIW, I accepted the offer
    Apr 26 1
    • Facebook tGTv63
      Congratulations
      May 1
  • Facebook AQwd10
    I like your thinking and self-awareness. Some product engineers I've worked with only code in php and considered themselves senior without realizing how much work our web tier dev infra did for them. I think another option is to explore more into FB's infra projects, there're many lower level stuff like hardware accelerator, data center host efficiency, distributed systems, compiler optimization for ML, etc.
    Apr 12 1
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      I’m not in US :(
      Apr 12
  • Facebook tGTv63
    I would think about it this way :
    1) is this something I want to do
    2) will this be good for my career in the long term
    3) will I be paid more with the new skills I acquire in the long term even if it's a short term dip.
    Apr 12 2
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      It’s not even a dip technically, I’ll be paid the same and more overtime.
      Skill wise I think there I’ll get the biggest win long term.
      Apr 12
    • Facebook tGTv63
      Then do it
      Apr 14
  • Evernote ji32k7au4
    It sounds like the only thing you don’t like is not getting enough of the type of work you want. Have you talked to yor manager about that?

    However I also don’t think you can make a wrong decision here.
    Apr 12 3
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      I want to try to work in finance field. There’s nothing much my manager can do to help me. Although he actually came from investment banking and understands my desire to learn new things.
      Apr 12
    • Evernote ji32k7au4
      Ah sorry didn’t catch that part — I was focusing on what you said regarding infra and getting your hands dirty. Yeah that doesn’t seem like something you’ll find at FB unless their finance team has engineers building internal tools for them. I stand by what I said I don’t think you can make a wrong decision here :) One thing I’ll say is while you’re young, you can take some risks. If things don’t work out, just go back or find a new job. You’ll always be in demand.
      Apr 12
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
      aye daisy

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      aye daisymore
      Evernote is right here. 2 years after FB you’ll still be an awesome candidate for FANG.
      Apr 12
  • Amazon bHXi80
    The grass is not always greener on the other side. Something you may think about is everything you have now but don’t have in your next job but you get to learn. Will that work? If so, leave
    Apr 12 3
    • Visa samK
      ^ business code guys wanna work in infra, infra guys wanna work in business. Rinse repeat. It shows that humans are never happy where they are.
      Apr 12
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      Fwiw I work in infra and still want to work in infra.
      Apr 12
    • Uber fang2019
      Which part of Fb infra? What’s the engineering culture there?
      Apr 12
  • IBM / Eng pussylick
    E5 in 3 years? Looks like mark Zuckerberg wants his employees to make quick bucks like he did. Good shit zuck. Good shit.
    Apr 12 0
  • SAP $AP
    Try challenge your self and aviod comfort zone.
    Apr 12 0
  • eBay / Eng Kabul
    Leave and make room for us
    Apr 12 0
  • Kaspersky Lab / Other
    aye daisy

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    aye daisymore
    I think the most important thing is to grow, and to grow your challenges should match your skills. If you feel that the current level of challenges with fb makes you bored, move on and try something new when you don’t have a family to support. I think it’s important to push your boundaries and figure out what you want and what you don’t.
    Apr 12 0
  • New bob_
    You might want to consider other teams. FB has a larger problem domain than most quant shops. There are probably a few teams doing work that interests you. If you do go to finance, your should require higher comp to reflect the volatility, etc.
    Apr 12 1
    • Facebook / Eng zuck1573
      OP
      No one will ever pay me more now given my yoe
      Apr 12
  • Facebook uhebejce
    Google
    Apr 14 0
  • Microsoft yEfH22
    Which decision would you regret more?
    Apr 12 0
  • Dropbox 5vi
    FB levels are inflated, almost all my friends at FB went from E3 to E5 in 4 max years.
    Apr 12 0
  • Bloomberg zbgsjd
    Leave
    Apr 12 0