Should I take two sigma over citadel as a new grad for swe?

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Nov 4 70 Comments

Which one will give me better growth and learning if I want to eventually go back to big tech?

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  • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
    I don't understand emphasizing WLB at the start of your career... The more stuff you get done, the more experience you get.

    It's not like your whole life will be consumed at Citadel, there's people who work pretty normal hours there too.
    Nov 4 41
    • Virtu Financial ysxU87
      It all depends whether sacrificing WLB will get you ahead. A fast growing field or org presents you a golden opportunity to advance, and you'll need to maximize your learning and productivity or you'll be left behind. If bad WLB turns out to be the best way to achieve that then that's a choice we need to make; if not, then great.

      One thing I hear that's bad at some places is that even if you sacrifice WLB early on there are layers of bureaucracy that get in the way of your promotion, and at the same time watch slackers contributing little but take the same pay. If the team / org at Two Sigma isn't like that, there's nothing stopping you from sacrificing WLB for higher TC growth down the road.
      Nov 8
    • Schonfeld / Eng
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      @ysxU87 How is Virtu treating you?
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    • Virtu Financial ysxU87
      Let's say all things considered I probably won't go to FB when I'm offered E6, and FB probably won't offer me E6 due to yoe.
      Nov 21
    • Schonfeld / Eng
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      @ysxU87 not sure how much FB E6 gets paid, but ok
      Nov 21
    • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
      500-600k
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  • Citadel Securities bluetiger
    Citadel almost certainly higher pay and faster growth, but at the expense of WLB
    Nov 4 3
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      OP
      Can you elaborate on why?
      Nov 5
    • Jump Trading / Eng
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      Uh I mean if you have offers from both you will easily see the discrepancy in pay lmao. 2s grew way too fast and imo personal growth is pretty slow compared to citadel
      Nov 5
    • Jane Street Capital JBoC63
      Is jump still growing at all?
      Nov 8
  • Jump Trading / Eng
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    You won't be able to negotiate your new grad salary close to citadel, so if TC is your main concern, go citadel. If wlb is your main concern, got 2S, but know that securities has okay wlb. Both will have same exit opps for big tech
    Nov 5 6
    • Jump Trading / Eng
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      Hmm post negotiation recurring for me was 50k less lol (200 vs 250)
      Nov 5
    • Google Lazarus618
      What is your tc at jump if you don't mind me asking?
      Nov 5
    • Jump Trading / Eng
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      Dm me
      Nov 5
    • Two Sigma uwRj25
      I am also curious
      Nov 5
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      Dm
      Nov 8
  • New fsOG71
    Probs 2S, it’s much more of an engineering leaning culture. What’re the offers for SWE?
    Nov 4 0
  • Google quant.umm
    definitely. much chiller and better. I’d get them to negotiate your salary up first
    Nov 4 0
  • Google Lazarus618
    New grad here and recently chose 2S over Citadel
    Nov 5 0
  • IEEE AmInuts
    2S. Better culture. More well regarded in the quant finance space.
    Nov 6 0
  • Two Sigma angelist
    You may consider the non compete period. It maybe troublesome when you want to keep in finance but not the same companies. Garden leave may be okay for some but not everyone
    Nov 5 6
    • Two Sigma angelist
      Not only about money. Staying at home (or traveling) may not fit some’s style. For example, some people start to feel their technical capabilities not in the edge after few weeks because not exposing to the industry constantly.
      Nov 5
    • Two Sigma angelist
      https://news.efinancialcareers.com/us-en/286409/citadel-two-year-non-competes according to this article, citadel non compete can be two year. I know two sigma can be one year.
      Nov 5
    • Jump Trading / Eng
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      Right but in Chicago, it's not legally enforceable since 2018. So that part of the contract is void I believe
      Nov 5
    • Jane Street Capital / Eng sinsivt
      It's not that clear-cut. Illinois has shot down overly-broad non-competes, but hasn't categorically disallowed them as far as I've seen.
      Nov 6
    • Jump Trading / Eng
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      I see, thanks for the clarification :) I only recently heard about this law haha
      Nov 6
  • New akykya
    They pay less but are more chill.
    Nov 4 2
    • Facebook Chang😎
      OP
      Damn that hits in the feels
      Nov 4
    • Jane Street Capital JBoC63
      The difference in pay could round up to a new grad salary at google
      Nov 8
  • Citadel Securities xRuK54
    Citadel
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    citadel
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