So how did Riot Games' walkout end?

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    • Capital One lXHv58
      Gaming culture, like punk culture in the 90s, is making this weird veer towards white supremacy and I don’t love it
      May 29
    • Indeed / Mgmt Ryry
      Nah, elites are trying to force anti-white racism and anti-male sexism down our throats and gamers are rightly not having it.
      May 29
    • Turner / Eng Allielae
      Reactions like yours are why women like myself stay away from "gamers."
      May 29
    • New / Eng pFaT50
      That's fine. I'm for equality, not for me being told I'm bad because I'm male and white and I play games for fun.
      May 29
    • GrubHub Lbth84
      You know, all games don’t have to be for you. If they reduce the 95% of games that are for/by/starring white males down to 80% there will still be too many games for a single person to play. And the companies will make money from a 15% larger pool of customers.

      I assume you haven’t checked lately, but the US is only 77% white, and only about 55% of babies born were white (as of 2010 census). I imagine those numbers will be even lower in 2020. Game companies have to do more to welcome minorities, sometimes at the expense of white males or they will lose more and more future customers. It’s not racism it’s pragmatism.
      May 29
  • Sephora gQKXeF
    League's community is toxic for a reason...hopefully it's something they learn to address
    May 29 3
    • Amazon ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
      you can have a game with a toxic community and not sexually harass your employees
      May 29
    • Salesforce PhQL74
      Yes just like amazon... toxic culture but no sexual harassment
      May 29
    • MailChimp nLFI17
      Eh, it's toxic because the inherent psychology of the game makes it really easy for players to feel that their games are lost due to teammates (and this is _sometimes_ true which reinforces the behavior and has ripple effects reinforcing the behavior of others). Just like Blind makes for toxicity due to the anonymity; there's no shortage of sexism on here.

      And they've honestly implemented a lot of tools to reduce toxicity as much as possible. Immature people gonna game and immature.

      On some level I sympathize with them because emotional immaturity and seeking comfort through online gaming often goes hand-in-hand with depression. Not always mind you, but there's definitely a good chunk of depression and somewhat related anger problems inherent in online gaming. And of course that gives them no right to yell at teammates.
      May 29
  • Riot Games XU1Zjp
    They created a D&I Council....forced arbitration hasn't really changed
    May 29 15
    • Intel pFVD84
      It sounded good when they were talking to themselves in the mirror.
      May 30
    • Tableau fragmented
      Keep moving the goalposts so the debate never truly happens, got it.

      D&I does inherently more good than bad

      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/04/business-case-for-diversity-in-the-workplace/
      Jun 1
    • Google Mr. Glass
      ^ keep drinking that koolaid.

      Meanwhile if you want to open your eyes to the uncomfortable truth, watch carefully for the sake of your kids: https://youtu.be/LquIQisaZFU
      Jun 2
    • Intel pFVD84
      Any social experiment that is said to be “inherently good” is almost certainly not good.

      I presume you are saying diversity of thought or experience is good since the melanin content of skin is an irrelevant DNA component in decision making.

      Is diversity in a hierarchical organization (like the military, firefighter, etc) good? Probably not - leads to indecision in critical moments. It’s only when creativity is required that diversity is typically value-add.
      Jun 4
    • Google Mr. Glass
      ^ true. But the radical leftist folks are unfortunately blind to this. There’s an emotional dogmatic component that is irrational and needs a different kind of argument for them to “feel” that it’s wrong.
      Jun 5
  • Microsoft GqTJ43
    For the last few years I’ve been on the frontlines or the recruiting effort. A few thoughts.

    1. Having too many of a single group such as white males who play the same game, creates an echo chamber. Progress is made when ideas are challenged creatively.
    2. The recruiters are dropping the ball. If they’re only bringing us people with gaming experience, then we only get people from the same background. We need to find great engineers that might have never considered gaming as an option.
    3. Once someone joins our industry they need to feel welcomed. They need to feel safe that they can speak out with their POV and not marginalized. It’s so important that if someone’s ideas are not used, it’s because of the idea, not who they are.
    4. No one gets a free pass. This industry is filled with both men and women who are doing their dream job. We don’t need dreamers. We need people who put in the work and earn their spot.
    5. We have a long way to go. But this world isn’t filled with heroes and villains. A white dude isn’t the enemy. Also, I’m white, I’m a dude. So everyone else on this thread complaining that you feel threatened. STFU. We all have it pretty good. If you feel a woman got a promotion you deserved, then work twice as hard. Find new roads, they’re always out there for people like us. We’re not going to be hurt by giving a hand up to the disenfranchised.
    6. STEM education for young women is a major factor. We need more women in tech, we need young girls engaged early on and staying engaged. To enable that they need to feel welcome.
    7. Great games are made when people are challenged. The more diverse voices at the table, the better the product is.
    8. It’s easy to be the victim. Stand up for yourself, listen, be polite and work hard.
    9. Toxic can be an odd term. I’ve worked in a office where my boss slammed doors and threw chairs. He was an asshole. If anyone is complaining about perceived slights or micro-aggressions. Grow the fuck up. If someone is sexually harassing you, go to HR. Or just publicly shame them. But if they just hurt your feeling because they’re an asshole. The acknowledge they’re an asshole. Move on and focus on how you can do a kickass job. Simply put, don’t play the victim.

    We’re all lucky to work in this industry.
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    • New / Eng
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      Of course, they would directly benefit from it.
      May 31
    • Microsoft GqTJ43
      Statistics say otherwise.
      May 31
    • New / Eng
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      You truly have nothing better to do all day. Generally speaking you can cut and shop statistics to mean anything. You're still racist, you're still sexist, and you're still a bigot.

      You clearly don't care and aren't up for an actual productive discussion and we're not making any ground where we're going. Bye troll
      May 31
    • Microsoft GqTJ43
      A productive discussion could involve acknowledging that women are massively underrepresented in tech and often mistreated. You don’t really need to shop those stats. You don’t have to believe me, but you could just listen to women.

      But it’s easier to call people names than to practice empathy.

      If you did you might realize, if you’re nice to girls you might eventually get laid.

      Good luck.
      May 31
    • Activision Blizzard Azshara
      Don't mind me, Queen of Naga here. https://tenor.com/5vc9.gif
      Jun 19
  • This never really does work out well when they behave like children and use the current accusations to push other issues.
    Also Kotaku isn't an unbiased source, especially when it involves industry members with similar politics.
    May 29 3
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      What exactly is childish about this?
      May 29
    • Unity / Data
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      Apparently, walking out and pressuring employers to change is childish.

      Remember all those children who walked out in the 20s, 30s, 50s, 60s, and 70s? They literally gave their blood and life so you can have a fairer, safer work place by walking out. Every concession made by business owners in the last century, from which everyone of us benefited, has been thanks to the blood and tears of organised men and women workers.

      Everyday I go home at 5 pm, safe and sound to see my wife and kids, I remember the sacrifices these people made, despite every generation telling them versions of your comment.
      May 30
    • New / Eng
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      See when people walked out in the past they didn't do it because of the stories on the internet. They talked with each other and came up with plans and actual improvements.

      All these modern walkouts are just people who want to jump on the popularity train because I'm sure these people, while trying to do a good thing, are also very toxic. They DO work at riot...
      May 30
  • Apple / Eng kGUv48
    I have no idea, but I hope it ends with them attacking their women employees less!
    May 28 3
    • Nvidia civil
      No more attacking emotional support animals either! ...if there was any of that.
      May 28
    • Riot Games jadukn
      I've only seen one emotional support animal around the office. It's a dog and no one has attacked it.
      May 29
    • Nvidia bit-coin
      Pet safety first
      May 29
  • Riot Games / Eng
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    Just need to fire a few incompetent and immature senior leaders like Thomas Vu or Scott Gleb. Don’t know why they are still holding senior positions after being reported AND showed no results for the teams they led
    May 29 9
    • Facebook chromeo
      Giving a pass for technical achievements is the wrong thing to do. But companies do it all the time I assume.
      May 29
    • Riot Games jadukn
      No one is giving Scott a pass. There are some people who are dissatisfied with the penalty he received. Incompetence and immaturity are two different things. Regardless of how you feel about the latter, the former does not apply to him. I get it though. People are angry and in attack mode.
      May 29
    • Riot Games / Eng
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      Competency is relative. He is incompetent as the head of R&D, as a COO, and as a senior leader of a 2300 ppl company. He might be competent as an engineering lead who can ship products.
      May 30
    • Facebook chromeo
      Technical competency and competency as a leader, influencer and communicator are definitely different things. The former is good for individual contributing engineers, the latter necessary for senior leaders running any big org.
      May 30
    • Riot Games / Eng
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      Agree with Chromeo.
      May 30
  • New / Creative YoungGun
    I'm a male in the gaming industry and have witnessed the raw power and potential of having more women and minorities in this industry. I like to think we are in a very progressive company and still I'm shocked when I learn of how females or minorities are 'handled' by rubbish 'leaders'. These old executives need to retire already. Gaming is no longer some nerdy basement club for boys. Everyone needs to feel safe and welcome for this industry to take the next step.
    May 29 5
    • SAP Man
      Does "raw power" mean changing the concept character from a generic white male to a black female? Get real, don't treat anyone differently because of their gender or ethnicity. Minorities aren't a commodity that makes your game better. This goes both ways. I thought everyone was supposed to be equal?
      May 30
    • New / Eng
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      Everyone knows white women and especially white men are worthless in the workplace. It's all about how much pigment in your skin equates to how intelligent and diverse you are. Their most diverse group of people is actually all minorities and NO WHITES.

      It's really a joke at this point and I'm surprised to still see it being a thing.
      May 30
    • New / Creative YoungGun
      You are both correct. EVERYONE should have an equal voice and be able to contribute. However, the state of the industry is at present skewed demographically and unfortunately at present, the systems that I witness tend to dismiss ideas and talent from minorities. Conversations like these need to keep happening until a better equilibrium is achieved.
      May 30
    • SAP Man
      @YoungGun, To be clear, you're saying: the distribution of specific demographics is skewed in the game industry, so the numbers should be fudged in order to reach an even distribution, without accounting for regional demographic numbers or relevant experience/degree proportions within the industry? This what you're saying, right? Why not push for an even distribution in shitty jobs, too? Let's see more female janitors.
      May 30
    • New / Eng
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      More male porn stars!
      May 30
  • Facebook chromeo
    Had a female friend in a pretty senior position at Riot a few years back. She described a pretty toxic culture and left after a few years.
    May 29 14
    • Bank of America / Eng flak153
      I did not say that there's anything wrong with being white or male or both. White men aren't an issue.

      Don't put words in my mouth.

      I said being white and male does not make you better at being an office grunt at a video game company than someone who is not white and male. Which is objectively true.
      So why should.white men get preference?

      Capitalism and Free market economies assume a fair playing field, when the argument is made for efficiency. Let the best competitor win only works if all the competitors are on equal ground. Usian bolt can keep his legs, but it makes no sense to give him a head start. If you don't have an even playing field, you don't have peak efficiency. Individual businesses would do well to have more diverse management and staff in order to better serve the demographics they cater to.

      4 more years of Trump is fine with me. The faster this country implodes, the better. Maybe you idiots will eventually learn something.
      May 31
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      Companies are inherently unequal as that gives them an economic advantage to place themselves in the market.

      I'm done trying to discuss with someone so unapologetically racist. If whites are the majority then of course demographically they'd make up the majority of the company. That is true equality as it's equal to the population of the area.

      I also think it's racist to think only same-race people can understand how to market a product to that race. We're all dynamic people and we don't need stupid race politics in sales.
      May 31
    • Google Mr. Glass
      This @flak153 is a dumb idiot. Let me paraphrase his arguments in a way his dimwit mind will understand: “I said being white and male does not make you better at being an office grunt at a video game company than someone who is not white and male. Which is objectively true.
      So why should.white men get preference?”

      “I said being black and male does not make you better at basketball than someone who is not black and male. Which is objectively true.
      So why should black men get preference?” Maybe there are higher proportion of tall athletic men among blacks, coupled with higher cultural enjoyment of NBA? Whatever the reason, dumb idiots will conclude that black folks are discriminating against white men. Learn to not look at things with the lens of race and oppression, idiot.
      May 31
    • Bank of America / Eng flak153
      I'm not unapologetically racist.
      Why do you think I am? I've not said a single negative thing about white people aside from that they shouldn't have huge advantages just for being born a particular color, because it's both unfair and inefficient.

      I'm trying to tell you that yes in fact, companies tend to stay demographically the same over time as existing employees will always favor those similar to them.
      May 31
    • Bank of America / Eng flak153
      Mr. Glass maybe you should learn that when trying to argue with someone, insulting them every 2 seconds and getting angry beyond belief like 2 year old, and screaming at the top of your lungs isn't a good way to win.

      You done nothing but make strawman and slippery slope arguments. None of which are logical. Or make any sense.

      Maybe you should go back to middle school and learn how to speak to people properly.

      Are all conservatives the same screaming cry babies, that just whine and get angry and insult their opponents to make themselves feel better about not having intellect, money or anyone that gives a fuck about them? Seems likely.
      May 31
  • Cisco SFXH32
    Non Union/non-bargained for employees that walk out or “strike” make no sense to me. You don’t get union protections and not be union. They can fire you and that be that.
    May 29 19
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      Covington kids seem pretty affected by the social justice. The Hugh Mungus guy was also berated. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch as well.

      If you want to dismiss it because it's so easy to forget the outrage story of the week that's fine. Doesn't mean their lives weren't negatively affected by social justice.

      Also SJWs are a democrat thing, so there is your "mob" and they pretty much get to have the spotlight. If you don't want to engage in a honest discussion and forget the past then that's your own issue.
      May 31
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      I'm just pointing out that your own definition (or quotation) of social justice contradicts your argument.

      Beyond that, you continue to build strawmen in order to place people in arguments they never claimed. I get that you're passionate. But, you're not even conversing in good faith.
      May 31
    • New / Eng
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      Not exactly a strawman when a simple Google search agrees
      May 31
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      Putting people you're conversing with into false narratives is not something you can search Google for. A strawman is created by hand.
      May 31
    • Riot Games jadukn
      It seems that even though we are talking about two different things, you seem to want to misapply the term. It doesn't seem to matter what terminology we use to describe what we mean. You are looking for an enemy and you will always find what you are looking for.
      May 31
  • Google / Eng
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    343 Studios at Microsoft is leading the way with culture, principles and game results that the rest of the industry shouid follow.
    May 30 7
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      Not mutually exclusive.
      May 30
    • New / Eng
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      You're right, it's not mutually exclusive, but hiring purely on <metric> diversity is.
      May 30
    • Google WVXD02
      Lol @SAP. You don't exactly have ur pick of the litter.
      May 30
    • Google / Eng
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      Bonnie Ross leads by example and has full inclusion and very strong retention. She has built one of the most popular console games that is attractive to all demographics
      May 30
    • Wvxd02, just recently joined. Declined Facebook
      May 30
  • Microsoft yesterda
    Snowflakes
    May 29 1
    • Snowflake Computing CtFi75
      You called?
      May 30
  • No one cares
    May 29 0
  • Riot Games ivern
    It began a conversation which is still in progress. Folks seem to still be doing things. There's just not a very high focus on external media.
    May 29 0
  • Panasonic Avionics / Sales
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    I do sales. I sell stuff. It’s what I do.
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    I don’t think this will change unless the top management leaves or replaced, unfortunately. This all starts from the top and works it’s way down
    May 29 0
  • Google WVXD02
    Blind is full of cucks. You would let your managers sleep with your wives if it meant 1k more TC. If your company is doing something you don't like, speak out. Don't just take it. Life isn't about the bottom line.
    May 30 4
    • Well society needs to start teaching kids how to stand up for themselves instead of crying to the higher authority.
      May 30
    • Amazon / Finance thepoor1
      No one saying they can’t do this but don’t be crying if you lose your job for doing it. You’re not guaranteed employment and if they can hire someone else to do the job then no skin off their backs. When did people get so freaking entitled??
      May 30
    • Warner Bros. noAk
      Ppl still use the word cucks? 🙄
      Jun 7
    • Google WVXD02
      Apparently
      Jun 8
  • New hqWe60
    did 150 new positions open up?
    May 30 1
    • Intuit m83052dwlk
      Why would anyone want to work there
      May 31