Thank you Blind ! Joining FB after a long time at msft.

Microsoft jdbyxbrj
Oct 10 274 Comments

Hi blind community,

I want to thank you all for being wonderful in sharing information on everything. I learnt a lot from Blind - including interview and negotiation tips. Over the course, I had 7 offers and chose FB.

I would be moving to FB after a long time at Msft. I owe a lot to the community. AMA.

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  • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
    OP
    TC : 400k. Been here more than a decade.
    Oct 10 24
    • Akamai Technologies tjka53
      Can u please share what the other offer s were and where from?
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      That would identify me.
      Oct 11
    • Amazon TheStreets
      Ok , you are a troll. If you were there 10 yrs and your TC is that small with stock growth....you are either doing it wrong or doing it wrong
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft xJHW17
      What don't you get about: that would identify me? Please believe the guy! Geez people just won't give somebody the benefit of doubt. Something doesn't 100% fit your mental model of universe, and you disregard it as "doing it wrong". In the unbelievably high standard that you have set for everybody else, do you think even you can hit it all the time? C'mon we are human beings! We can dream of ideals but it is not always achievable. But that doesn't mean we are all "doing it wrong". We are aspiring, reaching, trying, and growing. Maybe we will never reach the ideal, so what? Does that mean we are "doing it wrong"? No. We are doing it right, and exactly how it should be done. OP, you go to FB and you do the heck out of it, and don't bother about this naysayer/troll/naive guy who has no idea what he is talking about.
      Oct 12
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      Thanks man ! People just don't understand
      Oct 13
  • Roku cruella
    Details about all 7 offers.
    Oct 10 18
    • Microsoft udjtjddg
      Exactly my experience. 6 offers with 1.5 months prep.
      Oct 10
    • Roku cruella
      Ok all geniuses gtfo. U have nothing to learn here.
      Oct 10
    • It took me a year to get my first offer. And I am sure you are not better engineer than I am.

      So anybody reading this, keep working if you fail. Interviewing it's a lottery some people know to play. But that doesn't make them smarter or better Engineer
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft udjtjddg
      This
      Oct 11
    • Facebook dividebyz
      It's not a lottery. If you think it's a lottery, you probably think doing well like your career is a lottery too.
      Oct 11
  • Mphasis ITzQ40
    YoE? What did you do to prepare? What all companies you attend the interview? How was the interview experience in each company? How did you negotiate? What was the offer in each company?

    Publish a post with all these details. That's how you payback to the community.

    Congrats to your new offer!!
    Oct 10 8
    • Mphasis ITzQ40
      Not everyone can answer those questions except those who have gone through that experience. So I'm also in the same boat. Let's consume that payback and we will contribute when it's our time..
      Oct 10
    • Roku cruella
      😭
      Oct 10
    • Informatica hosaf
      Congrats op. Please give us insights. Like what did you do differently from others? How did you stay motivated? Hope I will pay back to community one day.
      Oct 10
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Roku cruella
      What’s fireeye?
      Oct 10
  • Infosys BRY47
    Can you refer me to Msft?
    Oct 10 25
  • Cruise Automation WJBA12
    @op, congratulations. I hate to burst your happiness bubble, but I think you ought to know this. First a disclaimer I have never worked at FB. However, I have many friends who work there. the picture they all draw is somewhat consistent (and they work at very different orgs). Assuming you have been at MS for over a decade then you are most likely in your mid to late 30s. Hence most likely you're already a family man. Regardless of that. It is important that you realize that you will have a honeymoon period of about 3 months in which you will go through boot camp. After that, you'll choose a team. Life at FB is very different than that at MS. It is a very data-driven company, which works in a bottom-up fashion. You will have to come up with things to work on, and you'll be measured constantly on everything and anything. Your impact at the company will not be based on rumors and based on affiliations but based on concrete data and evidence. This might seem like a good thing when coming from a company like MS where your performance is measured by how close you are to the people who matter the most. But there is a downside to this. You will most likely have to work much much harder than ever before. You will also be competing at your level (which is most likely an E5 based on the comp) with younger folks who don't have families and who are willing to put up with the long hours and the intense culture. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad. I sincerely hope that you'll have the time of your life there. However, you should come with the right set of expectations. Most of my friends find it very intense, and extremely stressful. Best of luck.
    Oct 10 13
    • Oracle djdju$37
      Cruise- not really. Oci pays more than FB for yoe.
      Oct 11
    • Cruise Automation WJBA12
      What is Oci?
      Oct 11
    • Facebook easzss
      you'll be fine OP. Most people commenting on here didnt work here.
      Oct 11
    • Facebook AwGK74
      This is pretty accurate... M$ folks tend to struggle with the bottom up culture. They often don't fare well with the culture and struggle finding their way when no one is telling them what needs to be done.
      Oct 14
    • Microsoft HellaByte
      Pffft... What needs to be done?? Easy: figure out more ways to get your hands on customers' personal information for easier ad targeting. See how far you can push it before they squeal. Pause and create distraction if government intervenes.

      Honestly, it's mind boggling to me why the brightest minds of our generation sell their souls for an almighty buck while bragging that they work their asses off... digging in other people's garbage.
      Oct 14
  • Amazon AlphaPrime
    Humble brag with class ;-) Congrats OP!
    Oct 10 2
    • Agilent Technologies Jebb Fezos
      + View 10 more replies
      Oct 10
    • Roku nʞoɹ
      Lols, you tricked me
      Oct 10
  • Amazon rando-sde
    How the hell do you time 7 offers? Timeline of on-sites? Timeline of responses?

    I am planning to move to Microsoft with a goal of 180TC -> 250TC (6yoe, interviewing for senior eng). I was thinking about grabbing some competing offers, but goddamn, timing is tricky.
    Oct 10 15
    • Cerner StyaPichai
      So basically, we have to time them in such a way that, either you get multiple offers or you screw up all of them.
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      Yes. But I also postponed companies if I don't get through the first set
      Oct 11
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      Competing offers and negotiating skills are what’s required to get a high tc. Otherwise you will keep getting shortchanged with internal promos. What’s the point in working 60-70 hours per week to get a standard 10% raise on promotion when you can use the same time to leetcode and potentially 2x or 3x your tc?
      Oct 11
    • Splunk TheBackend
      It works for years 2 through 10, maybe 15 at the outside, of your career. After that, the advantages go away and you’re like a 35-ish baseball pitcher with a lame arm.
      Oct 11
    • Facebook XTeR76
      It's doable. I timed 4. The phone interviews were spread over a month, but I dedicated one week to take vacation and scheduled all my live interviews during it. Then the offers are easy to time - you honestly tell them you're waiting for a competing offer before you can come up with a counter and negotiate properly. People have no problem waiting.
      Oct 11
  • Microsoft TCexe
    TC and how long were u at Microsoft?
    Oct 10 0
  • Facebook ThisMoment
    OP - If I am not mistaken, you are joining my team lol. Congrats! It was fun to interview you.
    Oct 10 3
  • LinkedIn greatfood
    So contribute back to this community and break down your current TC at msft and the offer from FB.
    Oct 10 7
    • Microsoft theLoner:)
      That’s like 4 times more ? Jeez
      Oct 10
    • Amazon hoborvat
      I think that’s vested over 4 years (the 600 part at least). On levels.fyi, an E5 makes on average 185/144/35 yearly
      Oct 11
    • LinkedIn yoyobabe
      Is it Seattle or Sunnyvale
      200k in Seattle is awesome
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft HellaByte
      No way just 200k total comp at L64 and many years of accumulated stock vests. But even if true, so it's 350 a year at Facebook shelling people's personal data to the highest bidder - I guess money is everything for some.
      Oct 14
    • Booz Allen Hamilton 🧠💨 %
      Why is 200k awesome in Seattle? Isn’t it expensive?
      Oct 15
  • Microsoft yNiO12
    Update us after 1 year of slavery
    Oct 10 6
    • Facebook Lighthouse
      I'm an E6 at FB and work 10 to 6:30. Work smarter, not longer :)
      Oct 10
    • Facebook kygo
      @Microsoft: Update us with your level and TC after 1 year of working/chilling 9-5
      Oct 10
    • Amazon sherpas
      At least FB compensates you well. With 200-400 package jump even you work 80 hours a week you are not losing much.
      Oct 11
    • Facebook XTeR76
      Similar. E5 without working overtime. Some stuff didn't go very smoothly, so Meets All. 🤷🏻‍♂️ There is some room for improvement, but as was said - by working smarter, not longer.
      Oct 11
    • Facebook longgamma
      Some people like a faster pace 🙂 it's just up to you
      Oct 14
  • Salesforce TechSlum
    This is sad. Why make a post about joining a labor camp?
    Oct 10 6
    • Amazon OlAl28
      I just ghosted a FB recruiter for this reason. As shitty as Amazon can be I feel like FB is worse right now.
      Oct 10
    • Facebook longgamma
      Have you worked at FB? In my experience, it isn't a labor camp at all, and the majority of employees don't think so. Simply, those who do think so make the most noise. Trending topics just snowball in 2019, often regardless of facts and technical details. 🤷‍♂️
      Oct 14
    • Salesforce nohan
      Yeah, and equally sized companies have the same number of people complaining how horrible life is, amirite? /s
      Oct 14
    • Facebook longgamma
      Lol, I hope the mathematical fallacy in your comment is obvious to you 🙃
      Oct 14
    • Salesforce nohan
      Enlighten me, Einstein.
      Oct 14
  • Roku cruella
    OP got 7 offers.
    OP posts on blind and promises to answer Q
    OP becomes targeted as whistleblower.
    FBI arrives with swat team.
    Locks OP up in a dark dark place.
    Only thing OP can do there is LC.
    Oct 10 0
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    • Facebook JymN50
      I love the first comment on this reply! Why can't he/she just be British lol
      Oct 10
    • Amazon .🦔...
      What’s learnt in American, I wonder?
      Oct 10
    • Intuit MHIX47
      @facebook - those fellas are too busy with brexit to be applying for jobs. One disruption at a time
      Oct 10
    • Expedia Group myfcr74
      I’m not saying OP is British, I’m assuming OP is Indian and they learn British English
      Oct 10
    • Expedia Group myfcr74
      Learned is the US form @Amzn
      Oct 10
  • Amazon StrongJosh
    Any learnings you'd share?
    Oct 10 1
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      1) Keep practicing.
      2) Do a lot of interviews and don't care about getting rejected.
      3) Mock interview with people who are challenging.
      4) Sometimes you can get rejected because interviewers are dickheads.
      5) Hard work pays.
      Oct 11
  • Microsoft FPoT71
    What was your level at MSFT and what level are you joining at FB?
    Oct 10 3
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      64 to E5
      Oct 10
    • Facebook fowlm
      400k is never heard of for an E5. Really good negotiation
      Oct 11
    • Google hgfx
      I've heard of plenty of e5 400k.
      Oct 12
  • LinkedIn T%nt0wn
    Welcome to the jungle.
    Oct 10 1
    • NetApp friend.me
      Sour grapes for LinkedIn 🍇
      Oct 10
  • Yahoo Genius
    Congrats OP. Good job 👏
    Any tips for preparation:
    1. How many Leetcode if any?
    2. How did you prepare for design?
    3. How long was the interviewing process, from first phone interview until last negotiation round?
    Oct 10 6
    • Yahoo Genius
      Thanks OP 👍
      Oct 11
    • Yahoo Genius
      400 questions, easy,medium,hard? What's the breakdown?
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      50 percent medium. 20 hard and 30 easy mostly to warmup
      Oct 11
    • Intuit lilboat
      Congrats OP! And thanks for this question! Currently trying out different study methods so this is definitely good input
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      LC premium rocks !
      Oct 11
  • Cerner StyaPichai
    How the hell do you guys manage to get all offers at the same time??? I had to decide on one before getting results from other interviews. How did your employers wait until you got all the offers?
    Oct 10 6
    • Bloomberg offByOme
      No stupid, he had 2/3 other offers ...
      Oct 11
    • Cerner StyaPichai
      How could you reject other offers when you are not so sure of the pending interviews?
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      Confidence that I will get through at least one of the remaining ones.
      Oct 11
    • Cerner StyaPichai
      Congrats buddy.
      Oct 11
    • Facebook XTeR76
      If they really want you, they'll wait. It's always negotiable. Tell them you're waiting on competing offers and you'd be doing everybody a disservice by negotiating comp without the full picture. "I want to be able to accept your offer knowing it's the best".
      Oct 11
  • Microsoft PhoenixAZ
    Congratulations! What are some of the key things that you think were essential for a successful jump? Just leetcode. Also, how did you prepare for design interviews? TIA
    Oct 10 4
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      Leetcode. I also paired up with good people who were interviewing and mock interviewed each other.
      Oct 10
    • Intel Intel-guy
      Where and how did you find those people? Is there a meet up or something?
      Oct 10
    • Microsoft jdbyxbrj
      OP
      Blind.
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft pokeface
      This is a very smart approach. I myself should be doing more mock interviews!
      Oct 11

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