Trump ends Diversity Green Card Lottery and Chain Migration

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Nov 1, 2017 157 Comments

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  • Oracle / Eng Madmaxf
    Not a supporter of trump but I support ending diversity visa
    Nov 1, 2017 25
    • Facebook 🐙 🐢
      Yes of course it's bad.

      Giving out any kind of resources/quota/opportunities based on factors that the individual CANNOT control (e.g. Race, gender) is DISCRIMINATORY. At least in a merit based system, EVERYONE has a shot at it.

      Diversity based quotas go against the very thing you're trying to fix, making you look like hypocrites.
      Nov 2, 2017
    • Groupon rahul
      I agree
      Nov 2, 2017
    • It’s not a bad policy in that it’s barely possible to get the lottery in the first place, my aunt who is a Swedish citizen was told that the lottery is either impossible or takes more than 2-3 decades. She’s considering fake marriage hahaha
      Nov 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      Hooliganssmore
      Except that discrimination on the basis of characteristics that you were born with is never ok. The moment you start saying X discrimination is OK, you open the flood gates to discriminating on basically any property you’re born with. This is the shit that people spent life times fighting against. To see it openly floated as an option is disgusting.
      Nov 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      Hooliganssmore
      I would almost argue that relatively speaking, they aren’t stupid. As time goes on and their peers become more intelligent, conversely they become increasingly stupid.
      Nov 4, 2017
  • Snapchat / Eng
    NewSnapper

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    Fake news. He doesn’t have power to do that.
    Nov 1, 2017 57
    • Groupon rahul
      EAD - work status and AP - travel. Let's be precise. You need a law to provide these benefits hence the legal challenges.
      Nov 2, 2017
    • Groupon rahul
      It is not your or my interpretation. We are random people on the internet. Were there legal challenges? Yes. Period. End of story. Not what you or I think. Also you tried to argue DACA just deferred and eventually you have agreed it did more than deferring.
      Nov 2, 2017
    • Snapchat / Eng
      NewSnapper

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      You need to understand what a legal challenge means. Anyone can come up with a legal challenge on anything they don’t like. Unless a court acts on it, it doesn’t mean jack shit
      Nov 2, 2017
    • Groupon rahul
      Legal challenge shows ambiguity, you and I don't need to argue.
      Nov 2, 2017
    • New / Other ©️
      Legal challenge by themselves doesn't mean anything. There are tons of frivilous lawsuits. What you are saying is something I said earlier:

      > I also never said all EO are legal. I also said Obama was lucky all challenges to it were stuck in various courts. EO in general are thorny topic for many, because it is a tactical weapon provided to executive branch. Legislative branch is generally unhappy when it is used as a far reaching tool. When legislative branch is impaired, these things get through, although my 2 cents are the founders of the Constitution likely thought that this spillage is acceptable and if the actions were painful enough, the legislative will stand up and reign in the executive.

      If you read it carefully, you will realize that I clearly said, EO are thorny topic, even though executive has reigns over it. This is why Obama administration didn't do the EO for a really long time.
      Nov 3, 2017
  • Facebook zdFv1sa
    Excellent! The US has more than enough diversity.
    Nov 1, 2017 18
    • BlackBerry FuckDPoPo!
      Not communist please. While the ideals are noble they are impractical. Socialist democracies are the way to go
      Nov 7, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      How’s it impractical? What principal is impractical in communism but not so in socialism, out of curiosity?
      Nov 7, 2017
    • BlackBerry Android🤖
      Impractical because:
      1. Forcing people to give up their excess for the common good as opposed to incentivizing it
      2. Repression of other political views
      3. Personality cults
      4. Limiting freedom of movement
      Nov 7, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      1. Socialism only works when people are forced to give their excess to the common good (ie government). Without doing so, the whole system collapses.
      2. I don’t think a core tenant of communism is the suppression of other political views (although in practice that has been common).
      3. Personality cults exist anytime you have more than 10 people in the same area. We have huge divides in the US over personality cults.
      4. While something like the EU might personify freedom of movement, I think that’d be idealistic. If we look at many countries that dying as a result of socialism, we’d see that freedom of movement is not exactly something the government strives for.
      Nov 7, 2017
    • BlackBerry Android🤖
      Socialism doesn’t force people to give their excess nor does it limit freedom of movement. Germany has a pretty strong social model and so do the Nordic countries
      Nov 7, 2017
  • Microsoft hrtN12
    MAGA
    Nov 1, 2017 1
    • Google $0.
      Shut up grandpa
      Nov 1, 2017
  • Facebook / Eng gogogadget
    Lol @ all these anti diversity preachers not knowing this program helps more White Europeans have a chance to immigrate vs the sheer number of other groups. If you're importing groups of people to your country you don't want it dominated by any single group.
    Nov 1, 2017 15
    • Groupon rahul
      You are writing a lot without making sense. You want special privilege for people from smaller countries. This will not stand for long. DV will be killed
      Nov 1, 2017
    • Groupon rahul
      US always had waves of Immigration from certain groups: Irish German Chinese Jews Vietnamese Mexican Indian. All blended fine. If merit cannot be judged, how can terrorism intent be judged? Merit at least has some markers such as degree, job offer and so on. Right now you accept anyone from DV without knowing their intent.
      Nov 1, 2017
    • Facebook / Eng gogogadget
      If you think all those groups blended fine you need to relearn history. Irish people were discriminated against too and people thought they were stealing jobs and criminals. They weren't even considered white for a time period.
      Nov 3, 2017
    • BlackBerry ShittyWok!
      I think Rahul@Groupon is waiting for his GC 😝😂😆
      Nov 6, 2017
    • Uber / Eng
      FMzLsC

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      "any single group" like Mexican?
      Nov 7, 2017
  • Cisco wowJesus
    Can’t agree more. Diversity is another way of discrimination. We embrace and respect diversity but can’t let diversity tag to lose real talents
    Nov 1, 2017 1
    • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
      Over 50 percent of the people on the diversity visa program came from Africa. And from a culinary and creative perspective, having a nation with a ton of diversity makes a huge difference.
      Nov 2, 2017
  • Google blikum
    For everyone who opposes the diversity visa lottery, can you please explain to me how the program works? Since you have a strong opinion, you must be informed enough to know what you are opposing.
    Nov 1, 2017 4
  • Microsoft potato2
    That doesn't really help stop terriosm at all.
    Nov 1, 2017 2
    • Microsoft hrtN12
      correct stop all visas
      Nov 1, 2017
    • IBM / Eng 👁🐝Ⓜ️
      Nothing to do with terrorism. Diversity programs = discrimination.
      Nov 1, 2017
  • Oracle SunSolaris
    Only if we didn’t have such programs in the last century. We wouldn’t have this moron as the president.
    Nov 1, 2017 0
  • Illumina / Other
    💯Lumens

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    What is chain migration?
    Nov 3, 2017 5
    • Microsoft Terabyte
      OP
      Bringing parents and other family members with you that are not your spouse and children
      Nov 3, 2017
    • Illumina / Other
      💯Lumens

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      Ah gotcha...I didn't realize that was a thing. Now it makes sense (I.e I've seen it before, but didn't realize there was a specific category for it)
      Nov 3, 2017
    • Microsoft Terabyte
      OP
      The Indians use it a lot. If One gets a green card or citizenship, they bring all parents, grandparents and cousins asap. lol
      Nov 3, 2017
    • New Litb06
      Then they bring their backwards customs and lack of hygiene here.
      Nov 4, 2017
    • New Litb06
      Look up the India Times article about hygiene in India. You’ll be appalled.
      Nov 4, 2017
  • BlackBerry ShittyWok!
    Fuck Trump!
    Nov 6, 2017 0
  • Sprint UyrR86
    100 percent agree that this bad DV system should be killed and merit based should be the norm. With merit based USA gets individuals who contributes to the system rather than nitwits who sucks the system dry.
    Nov 3, 2017 0
  • Starbucks HAqV85
    Funny how people have a knee jerk anti-diversity response. This is actually about the diversity of the COUNTRIES people are immigrating from not race...
    Nov 7, 2017 0
  • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
    Omg, he already successfully stopped so many programs, that... Oh, wait.
    Nov 1, 2017 3
    • Groupon rahul
      He actually has. EPA. CP. Net Neutrality. Gitmo. Many many more. Get out of bubble.
      Nov 2, 2017
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      None of it is finalized yet. Congress opposing him every single time.
      Time for optimism! He still can be impeached
      Nov 2, 2017
    • Groupon rahul
      Almost everything I wrote were done by agencies and Congress passed suing bank rule last week. Travel ban is live. Things are happening.
      Nov 2, 2017
  • New coder7
    Will those visas from diversity based be used for employee based, if this is successful?
    Nov 1, 2017 3
    • Deutsche Bank LPeJ52
      Don't think so
      Nov 1, 2017
    • Haha. In short - never. The general line of argument that far right usually has is that we should stop all immigration for 100 years for assimilation.
      Nov 1, 2017
    • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
      Yes, Uber will have more drivers available.
      Nov 2, 2017
  • Microsoft Facts
    Does he have the power to do that ?
    Nov 1, 2017 2
    • No he’s asking Congress to
      Nov 3, 2017
    • BlackBerry ShittyWok!
      Good that he is not all powerful
      Nov 5, 2017
  • LinkedIn fuzz
    Diversity lottery is fine. Just because a few countries aren't eligible doesn't make it a bad program.
    Nov 1, 2017 1
    • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
      There are certainly less than 100 countries not eligible, hell that number is probably somewhere around 20 ineligible countries.
      Nov 2, 2017
  • Deutsche Bank LPeJ52
    GRTBR
    Nov 1, 2017 0
  • New XciK80
    Lol
    Nov 1, 2017 0
  • Facebook Whatevs,
    Meh, doesn’t change anything. Flashy headlines for the big guy with no impact.
    Nov 1, 2017 0

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