Uber Freight vs Amazon Alexa Skills

Amazon b126
Apr 23, 2018 20 Comments

Hi, how would you guys picking the following teams:

Uber Freight SDE I in SF and Amazon Alexa Skills SDE I in Irvine, CA

The compensation are similar, which one would you choose for career advancement, living costs, and etc.

How’s Uber Freight culture? Does it have a positive outlook? Will it have the risks to be shut down in 1 year or two?

I’m currently in Irvine, so moving to SF will have more living costs, just wondering if the Uber Freight is worth it or not. Would like to hear your guys’ opinions.Thanks!

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  • New / Eng
    Unipate

    New Eng

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    Unipatemore
    Go where you are working at the core of the company. It will translate into more opportunity, visibility and career upside.

    Amazon is innovating like crazy and you would be working at something that is core to the company and Jeff is investing heavily in. Very strong leadership team.

    Freight is not the priority for Uber. Uber needs to beat Lyft and Waymo in personal transportation. Freight has also kept churning through its senior leaders which is a bad sign.

    Easy call.
    Apr 23, 2018 6
    • Amazon b126
      OP
      Thanks for the analysis! That helps a lot!
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber Uberger
      As a counter, I'd say that freight has a larger potential market than rideshare, eats, and everything else combined. Getting in early gives you the opportunity to make some serious impact to a potentially world changing product :)
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber Chet Rebu
      Eats was not the priority, and look how it has grown for a mere two year old company.

      Freight aligns well with Uber’s mission of transportation. Personal transportation is only one such vertical.

      Churning through senior leaders? Have a closer look at what they take away and you will see what we have left is a stronger set of focused builders.

      Just a different perspective from the inside ;)
      Apr 24, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Unipate

      New Eng

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      @Chet - I am not saying that you will be proven wrong, but you are providing an overly optimistic analysis.

      Eats is a layer on top of ride sharing. Developing other layers on top of ride sharing is very strategic for Uber to make the economics work. As a shareholder in Uber, I hope Uber finds more layers. Freight is separate. It’s a completely different platform.

      You can say that all the senior leaders churning is just bad people leaving, but it seems unlikely that it is the full story. And if so, wouldn’t all those bad people have hired other bad people that are still there. Or did they just hire good people? :)

      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber Fr8M8
      Freight is a massive opportunity and growing like crazy. It’s a startup within a *very-big* startup. Of the more Sr departures, only one was regrettable and he is still pro freight and just came back to Uber via acquisition. Most of the team was neutral on the others. The true builders are still here. We’ve had nothing like the turnover at Uber HQ, yet I’m still a believer in everything we’re doing. No one else is going to have as big an impact as Uber in the next 5-10 years.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • New / Eng
      DartVader

      New Eng

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      Freight is massive, but it is not core to Uber. Ride sharing is. The history of technology shows that big companies rarely do well working outside their core.

      See Google beating Microsoft Search. See Facebook beating Google Plus. See YouTube beating Google Video. See Instagram beating Facebook Photos. See DropBox beating Google Drive.

      If there is one thing I have learned in my career, it is not to work on areas that are hobbies for companies. Of course Dara will tell you that Freight is important. It isn’t. Work on the core.

      Uber Freight might be the exception. But exceptions need flawless execution and Uber is anything but. I like your confidence. But keep in mind that people at Google Plus probably felt the same confidence.

      Any way, best of luck. I hope you prove me wrong.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng QQMO76
    If the comp is similar then Uber low-balled you.
    1. Career development: Irvine isn't bad for career development if you're working at Amazon. It's not a random tech company. If you want more options later on, move to SF but only if the offer is much higher due to the difference in COL. In fact, do an internal transfer within Amazon if you want a change in scenery. You can apply to Google too. They also have an office in Irvine.

    2. Besides the concentration of tech companies, SF < LA or OC imo. Good luck finding a restaurant that's open after 9pm let alone one that's open 24 hours. You might be able to but not without paying an exorbitant rent or having to take an Uber across town.

    3. The food: people think the food in SF is good, lol, I feel bad for them because it means they don't know any better. SF restaurants might be great if you've never lived in SoCal or New York, but if you have, you're not missing out on anything.

    4. Because tech is a huge industry in NorCal, that's all most people talk about. All day every day.

    This comes from someone who made a similar decision. I moved to SF to join a company and moved back to OC as soon as my lease was up after a year. I was so miserable living in SF for all of the reasons listed above. I really wanted to like it but it didn't work. Another important thing I learned is that engineers in the valley are pretty fucking good. That applies to big and small companies. Therefore, in order to enjoy the same benefit (smart colleagues) and have a better quality of life, join Amazon.
    Apr 24, 2018 2
    • Amazon b126
      OP
      Thanks for your response! Uber actually gave me higher stock value, amazon said going to match but didn’t. The diff is about 50k over 4 years. Otherwise base is same, cash bonus is same over 4 years
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng QQMO76
      $50k difference over 4 years is far from enough to make Uber's offer more attractive. As a comparison, I had a competing offer from a firm in SF before joining Amazon. The diff was ~$40k PER year. After calculating the difference in cost (commute, rent, food, etc to maintain the same standard of living), the offer from Amazon still came out ahead. You gotta remember that rent is not tax deductible so you'll end up paying more in income tax as well. Anyway, I understand that it's not all about $ but I don't see how Uber can have an edge over Amazon in anything else.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Amazon zRqI41
    To be honest, Irvine is better for living, especially raising kids, but not good for career development. SoCal basically has very limited and outdated tech community. If you like tech, move north. If you want to focus on your life, stay in Irvine - in last year there were at least 3 newly opened Chinese hotspot restaurants and they’re all amazing.
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng QQMO76
      It depends on what OP wants in term of career development. Some people prefer growing within a company and some people like to move to a different shop every few years.

      SoCal is more suitable for the 1st approach. You can do the 2nd approach as well but there isn't as many options as what SF has to offer.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Amazon carr carr
    amazon stock is doing great, but stock grants to employees are really stingy. sde 1 can expect 1 stock probably after ur 1st year anniversary. so think about it. plus imo amazon’s success builds on hard work and employees’ sweat, not much innovation there; and it’s the company culture. people work hard for a whole year, and then get 1 stock as cash bonus.
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng QQMO76
      I agree that Amazon can be stingy but you make it sound as though no one knows it coming in. RSUs are vested 5/15/40/40 (%) so the first 2 years, most of your comp comes from base and sign-on bonus. We can spend all day talking about how the comp model at Amazon is broken but I wouldn't bother if OP negotiated a good offer. She shouldn't stay at Amazon for over 4 years anyway especially if she comes in as a SDE 1.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Amazon.com
    If you’re a single male in your 20s, OC is much better than SF, so you’re better off staying in Irvine
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Amazon b126
      OP
      Haha...I’m a female though
      Apr 23, 2018
  • Uber Uberger
    I'm shocked so many people have said to stay in Irvine tbh. If you're a young whippersnapper I would 1000% recommend moving to sf I think you'll have alot more fun
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Amazon zRqI41
      Blind is a lame place u know.
      Apr 23, 2018
  • Oracle yappy
    Join OCI
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Amazon Isf3&bso
    What are you more excited about besides company name/compensation?
    Apr 23, 2018 0

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