CompensationSep 24, 2018

Verifying competing offer as HM at MS

I am hiring an external candidate. At the last moment the candidate claims to have a competing offer from Amazon and asking to match it. Are there tools available for hiring managers to verify if the candidate actually got the offer. I don’t want to use my budget to match a fake offer. Recruiter is new to MS and does not have a clue. Update: Candidate is not ready to provide the offer letter

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Microsoft KeyDataAI Sep 24, 2018

Why don’t ask candidate to get that offer detail? If he has the offer he must have some detail with him.

Microsoft Beepi OP Sep 24, 2018

Updated

Uber Daaym Sep 24, 2018

You know how he performs in the interview. Why would what Amazon thinks of him or gives him change your offer so drastically ?

Google TeriMaaKa* Sep 24, 2018

It would be inappropriate of him to make them generate an offer letter just so he can use it to negotiate, and violate his NDA in the process. If Microsoft were on the other side you’d be extremely unhappy.

Pacific Northwest National Lab vaderTC Sep 24, 2018

Do you sign a NDA before getting the offer?

Google TeriMaaKa* Sep 24, 2018

If there are trust issues from starting then I think you should avoid hiring him.

Microsoft return(0) Sep 24, 2018

Can you rescind an offer because they asked for more tho?

Google TeriMaaKa* Sep 24, 2018

I think they can if HM thinks he won't be a good fit.

Microsoft Gottago Sep 24, 2018

Ask the candidate to take a screen shot of the offer or email

Microsoft KeyDataAI Sep 24, 2018

As a HM you should be able to make call here. You should ask him to provide that offer so you can negotiate with your manager for the same. If he still not agree, consider if you really need to hire or can still look for a more trustworthy candidate. He probably will take your offer and again go to amazon (if he is true) and again match and then again will play this game. So think all scenarios and make decision. After all, you are the HM not him

Microsoft Javas Sep 24, 2018

dont give offer - rescind. I had someone who faked the same, i held on and after a week, he came back and took my offer.

SpaceX vd9g Sep 24, 2018

For heavens sake - Microsoft NEVER provides an offer letter unless you give them a verbal acceptance (talking from experience). Why do you expect Amazon to do it? Having your cake and eating it, eh?

Vertivco Fast Papua Sep 24, 2018

Yeah, they are EXTREMELY hypocritical.

Capital One S. Totman Sep 24, 2018

I would also like to know if these tools exist? What’s to stop someone from faking a competing offer? Seems like the strongest point of leverage a candidate has to increase their salary. Sure it might be morally reprehensible, but are there any practical/legal reasons a candidate couldn’t do this?

Amazon jNeo42 Sep 25, 2018

Reading this thread is turning me off of the idea of interviewing with Microsoft. I find this discussion rather distasteful. The candidate made a mistake by mentioning Amazon. The candidate should have countered with something specific, and Microsoft should respond with a final offer. It’s that simple, and that ethical.

Microsoft KeyDataAI Sep 25, 2018

If reading a thread is what drive your decisions - sure, I too would suggest stick where you are. And I am surprised how are you sustaining in the job given you making your opinions by reading what other post!