Visa, VMware, or Favor?

Tata Consultancy Services oooff
Aug 30 43 Comments

I have offers from these three companies in Austin. Which company do you guys think would best prepare me for a software engineering role at a FAANG company? Salary isn't that big of a concern for me, but here are the details so far:

Visa
105k base
10% Bonus
RSU depend on performance (pretty rare)

VMware
105k base
30k RSU
12% bonus

Favor
105k base
3% bonus
5k relocation bonus

This might be worth mentioning: VMware's offer is for their Austin office which they're just starting to expand. It's pretty empty right now. I'd be the only person on my team until more people get hired. I'd be working with people in the Palo Alto office via conference calls. The team is present onsite at Visa and Favor. I only mention this because I'm concerned that working with the team remotely might hinder my growth.

TC 70k
2 YOE

Edit: I was strongly considering Visa before I made this post. After reading all of your responses and seeing VMware's counter offer, I accepted the offer from VMware. Thanks for the advice guys!

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TOP 43 Comments
  • GE hbjjjn
    VMWARE >>>>> Visa
    Aug 30 3
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Would you mind elaborating?
      Aug 30
    • GE hbjjjn
      I rejected visa offer. Their hiring experience is bad and heard the culture is toxic and full of politics
      Aug 30
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Oh, I see. Good to know. Thank you!
      Aug 30
  • New Gned33
    Visa: (100 *1.08 * 4) / 4 = 108
    VMware: (101 * 1.09 * 4 + 25) / 4 = 116

    Plus VMware has a Cloud story and works with Amazon.

    It's a no brainer.
    Aug 30 3
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Do you think the fact that I'd basically be working remotely for an indefinite amount of time could hurt my career growth? Or, am I essentially worrying about a non-factor? I'm fairly early on into my career, and I think I could learn a lot more with a team around. I dunno.
      Aug 30
    • Cognizant mangojuul
      Id think bout it this way, as the office grows you’ll be one of the first guys there giving you a certain amount of clout. I’d be worried only if they weren’t going to expand the team at all
      Aug 30
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      That's a good point. Thanks for your input!
      Aug 30
  • VMware XEXC78
    If your plan is to stay in Austin, I’d probably pick Favor, but if you’re looking at Austin as a stop on the way to the Bay Area then VMware is your best choice. Austin has far more jobs than talent so a name won’t make any difference locally. Also, the Dell ownership of vmware is an even bigger negative in Austin since also dell hq here.
    Aug 31 3
    • VMware doof_s
      Good point. The dell association to VMware currently is very negative, and I would not be very surprised if comp is not able to keep pace with other tech firms. How does Favor's comp compare to VMware in Austin ? To they offer stock?
      Aug 31
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Favor does not offer stock. Every detail about the offers that I'm aware of is listed in the original post. Favor can match Vmware's base but cant match their bonus and doesn't offer RSUs.
      Sep 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      I'm planning to stay in Austin for a few years, but I do think I will end up leaving the city eventually to pursue other opportunities. So, I guess with that in mind, going with VMware makes sense. Thanks for your input!
      Sep 1
  • VMware xyz...
    VMware, very good WLB
    Aug 30 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Thanks, I appreciate your input.
      Aug 30
  • VMware doof_s
    VMware probably. Their tech processes/practices/standards will prepare you better for FANG than Visa
    Aug 30 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Very straightforward and to the point. I appreciate it man.
      Aug 30
  • Apple woodkid
    What are the offer numbers?
    VMware > Visa to prepare you for being a better engineer
    Aug 30 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Updated the post
      Aug 30
  • VMware doof_s
    You have different numbers in your initial post and latter post regarding VMware offer so which is it? Also do you know what grade you got hired as? Example MTS 1, MTS2, MTS3, MTS4 aka Sr MTS etc.?
    Aug 30 3
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Sorry for the confusion. I removed the older version. VMware updated their offer since I first made this post. The details in the original post should be the most accurate. I'm not to sure about the level. That wasn't really explicitly talked about. I have 2 YOE, so I'd guess MTS1 or MTS2?
      Aug 30
    • VMware / Eng dime_worth
      MTS2 is for a fresh graduate usually. You should ask for MTS3 may be!
      Aug 30
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Oh really? I'll talk to them about that. Thanks for the heads up!
      Aug 30
  • Cognizant mangojuul
    Favor’s service is inferior to other on demand delivery services. I’d go with VM, a real tech company
    Aug 30 3
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Hmm gotcha, yeah there really seems to be a consensus here.
      Aug 30
    • Google m6r4
      One thing to keep in mind is that there is a big Bay Area bias on this forum... Favor/HEB has a cool new office space on the east side at least. I'd consider them if their offer ends up being good.
      Aug 30
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Thanks for that. I got an opportunity to tour their office and it's amazing. I really like the team as well. I know I want to work there, but I'm just not sure if it's the best decision for my career. It's hard to not feel like I'm passing up great opportunities at larger companies with more resources.
      Aug 30
  • Visa / Eng kjzO64
    For Visa it depends on the team.

    The experience on the consumer/merchant focused orgs approximates mid tier tech companies. The rest of Visa approximates a bank.
    Aug 30 3
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Interesting, I'd be joining the Visa Digital Developer Platform team. This team seems to be consumer focused and feels like a tech company. At least, that's my impression anyway. Do you know anything about this team in particular?
      Aug 30
    • Visa / Eng kjzO64
      That’s one of the two SVP groups I had in mind for approximating a tech company. That group is responsible for a broad collection of products. The most well known externally is probably Visa Checkout.
      Aug 30
    • @Kjzo64 - I found some roles I’m interested in. Are you open to referring ?And yeah, you can take a look at my profile and the jobReqs beforehand
      Aug 30
  • Microsoft WSnc22
    Would you mind sharing what level you got offers for for each company? Like SDE1, SDE2?
    Sep 6 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Sure thing. For VMware it was MTS 2 and for Visa it was L5. I was absolutely shocked that Visa would hire someone with 2 YOE for a Senior Software Engineer role but here we are. I didn't get any level info from Favor.
      Sep 8
  • Visa Dtrm86
    Do not take Visa!!! There's no growth there. Pay is terrible unless you reach a top level, which takes forever because they rarely promote. Tons more room for growth at VMware! And the pay is much better for other levels.
    Sep 6 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Haha thanks for that! I accept the offer from VMware.
      Sep 6
  • VMware doof_s
    Also if you can , check with recruiter if it's MTS1 or 2. Will help determine how good offer is . Although for 2yoe in Austin this is really good..
    Aug 30 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Right? At this point I kinda just stopped caring about the numbers. I'll definitely check what level they're trying to hire me for. That'll give me an idea if this offer is realistically the the best they can do.
      Aug 30
  • Juniper Pliny Jr
    VMware is as Cramer put it, a "cloud king", it's growing and it'll be hitting its stride for years to come. Observe the stock price how it hit $200+ before the Trump/China fight.

    The "newish" CEO was listed #1 on Glassdoor by employee rating so that translates that comp/benefits and culture has to be good.

    So opportunity for job growth and a great WLB should make this an easy decision for you.
    Sep 14 0
  • IBM Yess!
    Hi, how’s your Visa transfer process at VMware going? Can you please share the timeline and how long they took to file the petition with USCIS? Thanks
    Sep 26 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      I'm a US Citizen.
      Oct 2
  • Visa vking
    Visa will match RSUs and higher bonus if you provide them with a competing offer letter. That’s what they did for me.
    Sep 23 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      That might vary depending on your experience. I told them about my other offers and they just tried to convince to take their lower offer.
      Sep 24
  • VMware doof_s
    Just keep in mind some other factors too... Visa do 200% 401k matching up to 5%. So if you put 5% they contribute 10%. VMware is 100% upto 6% match so Visa definitely better in that regard.
    Vmware does have good employee perks like free snacks, coffee, drinks, etc.
    Visa and VMware both have ESPP programs but the latter does not have lock-in period so it's better. Visa I believe has better health insurance etc.
    Aug 30 1
    • Tata Consultancy Services oooff
      OP
      Those are all very valid points. I'll have to dig deeper into the benefits to get an idea of where these two companies sit holistically. Really my main deciding factor is how well these companies can prepare me for work at a FAANG. Honestly, all of these offers were more than what I had in mind when I started looking, so salary won't be playing into my decision that much. Do you have any opinions on which company would be more worthwhile for someone to start their career at?
      Aug 30

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