WHY IT'S SO HARD TO BE A WORKING MOM. EVEN AT FACEBOOKJan 10
Thoughts? Some of the comments on the article are pretty heated.
- Because being a mom is a lot of work and working a full time job is also a lot of work. Not rocket science
- Infact working on kid is more work.. you are not just taking care of a kid you are nurturing a life.. softwares can replaced by other engineers or it will anyways wiped out eventually but kid in your lap will never be... Moms are greatest creation of god.. but I don’t know why women leave that beautiful and most delicate work to caretakers and go behind money... I understand if that is the need it’s a different story but if you have your supportive husband then kid should be the first priority
- Why women only get pregnant and not men ? Now don’t say because of the biology... that everyone knew...
Women and men are never equal.. both are naturally different type of human... nature gave both different roles.. now you can think of stupid “feminism and equality” crap but reality is reality... I know many men who are better father for their kids then their mother...
It’s a natural role given to women... now women can wear strapon and peg men but that won’t give equal pleasure to both naturally...
- Simple and practical answer: Because women needs everything without responsibilities...
- Doesn’t surprise me. I had my first at Tableau - a Facebook wannabe if there ever was.
They treat mom’s like dirt there too (worse then this post actually..).
Women are only welcome in tech if they are young and fresh out-of-college. That’s when they (both men and women) are most motivated - also when they look best for optics reasons (woohoo! Diversity quota!).Jan 101
- Maternity *and* paternity are both 6-7 months? If so, that's pretty good.
Still, calling 4 months of leave "treating moms like dirt" is ridiculous. That's still among the most generous policies in the country.
- @Copacabana- to be clear: I meant Tableau treated mom’s like dirt....but I did say it in a vague way so I understand your point.
However that said - there is more support needed then just paid time off. 4 months or 40 weeks - neither is enough by itself to keep women (in particular) able to work and provide for their families.
After all, Parenthood is a marathon - not a sprint.
A successful parental support work plan should include adequate pumping facilities (Tableau utterly failed there - they had “quiet rooms”- which drunk devs used as private game rooms. I ended up with a medical condition cause of that arrangement), some sort of childcare support (Daycare FSA at the very least), and - of course - flexibility.
Miss one of those marks and you are really putting parents (women in a particular) in a very difficult position.
- @Copacabana Did you even read the article you shared?
“When it comes to parental leave, Facebook no longer leads the pack.
Salaried employees of any gender at Netflix can take up to one year off at full pay after the birth or adoption of a child. At Salesforce, employees get 26 weeks of paid time off for primary caregivers and 12 weeks for secondary caregivers to bond with a new baby or adopted child. Microsoft announced last month that it would require its contractors with at least 50 employees in the USA to offer at least 12 weeks of leave to workers with substantial assignments at the tech giant.”
But to your point it’s not like dirt.
- Of course I read it.
First, those policies are all top-tier for US employers. In terms of maternity benefits, it makes no sense to say women aren't welcome in tech. You'll have a hard time finding benefits like those anywhere but tech.
As for FB vs other employers, keep in mind that there are other benefits besides leave, like baby cash, subsidized daycare, and coverage for fertility treatment. It's a different tradeoff at each company. But FB's leave also has no exclusions or strings. Most companies offer less paternity than maternity, or don't offer the benefits to all employees, or make you fear for your job if you actually use the full amount.Jan 121
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- It’s because older generation... no matter what they stay married.. they support each other even knowing other spouse may be wrong sometimes.. it’s because at that time people also valued old age parents...
The moment feminism took over world... the more single moms are out there.. the more micro or nuclear family... the more issues to society in general...
Real and good people tend to suffer no matter of their gender..
- “Marriage for most of history was first and foremost, an economic thing”
It was also a stability thing. Not anymore though. My mom married three times...had children by 2 different men...and got promptly left by both men....and with no child support.
Very hard time for a single mom with no college degree.
I haven’t been divorced - but I know the batting average. 50/50. Girls need to grow up knowing how to take care of themselves. They need to be educated and employable - it isn’t optional - it isn’t “feminism” - it is survival. Why? Because marriages fail, men leave their kids, and at the end of the day it is everyman & everywomen for themselves.
That’s exactly what my mom taught me - and that’s exactly what I’m going to teach both of my daughters.Jan 101
- Oracle Hwkc70This article just makes me mad and shows everything that’s wrong with Silicon Valley’s mentality. The new world of work is work that can be done anywhere and at anytime. The pay gap would easily be solved if more companies offered flexible work schedules allowing women to do both.
- Doesn’t California law allow unpaid leave? How come she couldn’t take additional unpaid time off on top of the 4 months? Also couldn’t she take additional 4 weeks before her maternity started?
- The pregnancy disability leave requires that your position be held for up to four months (unpaid). This time off is in addition to the 12 weeks of parenting leave available under the CFRA, which means you could be eligible for up to seven months off, depending on how long you are physically unable to work.