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WHY IT'S SO HARD TO BE A WORKING MOM. EVEN AT FACEBOOK

Tableau Muskie777
Jan 10

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  • Cisco FXzH34
    Just lean in
    Jan 102
    • Tableau Muskie777
      OP
      "It ain't equal. I tell women that whole 'you can have it all' — mmm, nope, not at the same time, that's a lie. It's not always enough to lean in because that s*** doesn't work." -Michelle Obama
      Jan 10
    • Google / MgmtEphemerl
      Gotta choose. Can't have it all. Baby or career. Not politically correct to say but it's the truth.
      7d
  • Redfin lisafrank
    Because being a mom is a lot of work and working a full time job is also a lot of work. Not rocket science
    Jan 104
    • Bank of America blacKnight
      Infact working on kid is more work.. you are not just taking care of a kid you are nurturing a life.. softwares can replaced by other engineers or it will anyways wiped out eventually but kid in your lap will never be... Moms are greatest creation of god.. but I don’t know why women leave that beautiful and most delicate work to caretakers and go behind money... I understand if that is the need it’s a different story but if you have your supportive husband then kid should be the first priority
      Jan 10
    • Tableau Muskie777
      OP
      @blacKnight re: “I don’t know why women leave that beautiful and most delicate work to caretakers...”

      So...uh, why do men/fathers leave that “beautiful and most delicate work” all up to women/mom’s and caretakers?

      What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right mate?
      Jan 10
    • Bank of America blacKnight
      Why women only get pregnant and not men ? Now don’t say because of the biology... that everyone knew...

      Women and men are never equal.. both are naturally different type of human... nature gave both different roles.. now you can think of stupid “feminism and equality” crap but reality is reality... I know many men who are better father for their kids then their mother...

      It’s a natural role given to women... now women can wear strapon and peg men but that won’t give equal pleasure to both naturally...
      Jan 10
    • Redfin lisafrank
      A lot of women (and men) do make compromises in their careers i.e. working less hours. I do agree that kids > career but that goes for mom and dad.
      Jan 10
  • Bank of America blacKnight
    Simple and practical answer: Because women needs everything without responsibilities...
    Jan 101
    • Google / MgmtEphemerl
      lol without responsibilities. They find a partner to dump responsibilities on? Perhaps
      7d
  • Microsoft 🍭 lolli
    WTF Facebook.....you treat your people like this?
    Jan 107
    • Tableau Muskie777
      OP
      Doesn’t surprise me. I had my first at Tableau - a Facebook wannabe if there ever was.

      They treat mom’s like dirt there too (worse then this post actually..).

      Women are only welcome in tech if they are young and fresh out-of-college. That’s when they (both men and women) are most motivated - also when they look best for optics reasons (woohoo! Diversity quota!).
      Jan 10
    • Facebook Copacabana
      Which other company (or industry) treats mothers better?

      This isn't about women being "welcome in tech", it's an unfortunate reality that everyone has to face no matter where they work.
      Jan 11
    • Intuit 👿 Lucifer
      Ego in denial spotted.

      Intuit has excellent maternity and paternity leave policies up to 6/7 months
      Jan 11
    • Facebook Copacabana
      Maternity *and* paternity are both 6-7 months? If so, that's pretty good.

      Still, calling 4 months of leave "treating moms like dirt" is ridiculous. That's still among the most generous policies in the country.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/09/17/facebook-paid-leave-too-short-say-working-moms-who-want-flex-time/1279461002/
      Jan 11
    • Tableau Muskie777
      OP
      @Copacabana- to be clear: I meant Tableau treated mom’s like dirt....but I did say it in a vague way so I understand your point.

      However that said - there is more support needed then just paid time off. 4 months or 40 weeks - neither is enough by itself to keep women (in particular) able to work and provide for their families.

      After all, Parenthood is a marathon - not a sprint.

      A successful parental support work plan should include adequate pumping facilities (Tableau utterly failed there - they had “quiet rooms”- which drunk devs used as private game rooms. I ended up with a medical condition cause of that arrangement), some sort of childcare support (Daycare FSA at the very least), and - of course - flexibility.

      Miss one of those marks and you are really putting parents (women in a particular) in a very difficult position.
      Jan 11
    • Intuit 👿 Lucifer
      @Copacabana Did you even read the article you shared?

      “When it comes to parental leave, Facebook no longer leads the pack.

      Salaried employees of any gender at Netflix can take up to one year off at full pay after the birth or adoption of a child. At Salesforce, employees get 26 weeks of paid time off for primary caregivers and 12 weeks for secondary caregivers to bond with a new baby or adopted child. Microsoft announced last month that it would require its contractors with at least 50 employees in the USA to offer at least 12 weeks of leave to workers with substantial assignments at the tech giant.”

      But to your point it’s not like dirt.
      7d
    • Facebook Copacabana
      Of course I read it.

      First, those policies are all top-tier for US employers. In terms of maternity benefits, it makes no sense to say women aren't welcome in tech. You'll have a hard time finding benefits like those anywhere but tech.

      As for FB vs other employers, keep in mind that there are other benefits besides leave, like baby cash, subsidized daycare, and coverage for fertility treatment. It's a different tradeoff at each company. But FB's leave also has no exclusions or strings. Most companies offer less paternity than maternity, or don't offer the benefits to all employees, or make you fear for your job if you actually use the full amount.
      7d
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    • Bank of America blacKnight
      It’s because older generation... no matter what they stay married.. they support each other even knowing other spouse may be wrong sometimes.. it’s because at that time people also valued old age parents...

      The moment feminism took over world... the more single moms are out there.. the more micro or nuclear family... the more issues to society in general...

      Real and good people tend to suffer no matter of their gender..
      Jan 10
    • Bank of America blacKnight
      @DEADB33F: Yap...now a Days it’s exactly what you said.. women marries for easy money.. it’s like you fu**k prostitutes and they pay you huge money.. it’s same...
      Jan 10
    • Tableau Muskie777
      OP
      “Marriage for most of history was first and foremost, an economic thing”

      It was also a stability thing. Not anymore though. My mom married three times...had children by 2 different men...and got promptly left by both men....and with no child support.

      Very hard time for a single mom with no college degree.

      I haven’t been divorced - but I know the batting average. 50/50. Girls need to grow up knowing how to take care of themselves. They need to be educated and employable - it isn’t optional - it isn’t “feminism” - it is survival. Why? Because marriages fail, men leave their kids, and at the end of the day it is everyman & everywomen for themselves.

      That’s exactly what my mom taught me - and that’s exactly what I’m going to teach both of my daughters.
      Jan 10
  • New me2you.
    Because young women bought into "lean in" cure all feminism instead of fighting the real battle between capitalist class ($40 m +) vs labor
    Jan 100
  • Reddit y34bas
    Lean in
    Jan 100
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    Then you're being a terrible mom and you are neglecting your child.
    Jan 100
  • Okta nfc
    "Raise my kids or spy on all of humanity" - tough choice!
    Jan 100
  • Rubrik kJRs60
    Doesn’t California law allow unpaid leave? How come she couldn’t take additional unpaid time off on top of the 4 months? Also couldn’t she take additional 4 weeks before her maternity started?
    Jan 103
    • Tableau Muskie777
      OP
      I believe FMLA and California law just allow 12 weeks off. The distinction between paid and unpaid is not made - it is 12 weeks total. She would’ve already exceeded the 12 week mandate with the paid 4 months....
      Jan 10
    • Rubrik kJRs60
      The pregnancy disability leave requires that your position be held for up to four months (unpaid). This time off is in addition to the 12 weeks of parenting leave available under the CFRA, which means you could be eligible for up to seven months off, depending on how long you are physically unable to work.
      Jan 10
    • Tableau Muskie777
      OP
      Gotcha. Well from the story it doesn’t sound like she would’ve gotten disability leave, right? She was “physically” able - as heart wrenching as it was. 😢
      Jan 10
  • Oracle Hwkc70
    This article just makes me mad and shows everything that’s wrong with Silicon Valley’s mentality. The new world of work is work that can be done anywhere and at anytime. The pay gap would easily be solved if more companies offered flexible work schedules allowing women to do both.
    Yesterday0

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