Work VisaJan 8, 2018
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What would living and working in India on a H1B-equivalent visa be like for a white American male? 🤔

I get it, the immigration flow is overwhelmingly in the other direction and India doesn’t seem like a very desirable country for most westerners. Let’s just do this as a thought exercise. The reverse of what so many H1B Indians are doing here. What would living and working in India on a H1B-equivalent visa be like for a white American male? Would you be accepted by your neighbors and coworkers? What would the standard of living be like compared to what you’re used to? What language would you speak most frequently in the office? Would you get rejected all the time on dating apps like Indian men do with non-Indian women here? Would you hang out exclusively with other Americans like Indians with other Indians here, or would you have to assimilate? Would people make fun of you for bringing smelly western food into the office or wearing stinky deodorant? What would your career and wealth-generating opportunities look like? Many westerners’ depictions of India include pooping in a street, trash all over the ground, overpopulation, very hot weather, typical Indian food like curries, rape, racist/caste social structure, call centers, arranged marriages, BO, no rights for women and a very much developing country. I am sure those stereotypes can’t all be accurate. So, for those who have a better perspective, what would it be like and how would it compare to the Indian H1B experience in the US?

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Tableau Maduro Jan 8, 2018

What do you suggest to smoke while having this conversation?

Microsoft yMcg47 Jan 8, 2018

Opium is not legal

Google eYiX63 Jan 8, 2018

A white guy in an asian country will be swimming in poon, part of every elite social/administrative club he's interested in. He will do extremely well in any customer-facing role

Amazon indian OP Jan 8, 2018

Is this really true or just a nerd fantasy? For example: westerners fantasizing about anime and ramen etc., moving to Japan because of it, getting there and then finding Japan is actually not very accepting of outsiders...

Google eYiX63 Jan 8, 2018

Have you seen Indian girls run-over each other for white people? Imagine being one of maybe 10 white people in your city

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Amazon indian OP Jan 8, 2018

Assume Indian salary, just like H1B Indians here live on an American salary.

Google jPQI32 Jan 8, 2018

If you get American salary back home and per dm or something equivalent whilst you're in India, it can be a pretty sweet setup. I wouldn't recommend it for a local salary though. That is assuming money is sufficiently high up on your list of priorities.

Intel Litecoin Jan 8, 2018

you could probably be a model for hire if you’re young, white, good looking, and 6’1+ (male)... fuck tech, that’s what I’d do in India. Maybe that’s only a China thing?

Microsoft lavida Jan 8, 2018

Definitely not just a China thing, but an asian thing in general. Most of the beauty or man underwear products use white male models. On the other end, for Indian people, they seemed to fantasize about koreans a lot more than white people, at least for girls. When I went with my Korean girlfriend, they wanted selfies with her all the time. I don't know if it's the same for men, but it must be a kpop thing.

Microsoft richardhea Jan 8, 2018

Overwhelmingly stupid. Next question. 🍆

Cisco genesiz Jan 8, 2018

- What would living and working in India on a H1B-equivalent visa be like for a white American male? It'll be like living in an alternate universe. Seriously, you don't need another planet for an adventure of a lifetime. --------------- - Would you be accepted by your neighbors and coworkers? Mostly yes, if you are white. For other races, maybe not. Asian is ok. Also depends on the city and type of crowd you hang out with. Educated folks in major cities will accept easily regardless of race...mostly because their lifestyle has been similar to yours. There are far too many types of Indians to reduce this to a small explanation though. ----------------- - What would the standard of living be like compared to what you’re used to? Infrastructure sucks. Period. Bigger cities have 24 hr electricity, water and public transportation...and this is a luxury, unlike the US where we take roads, electricity, water for granted. As for stuff, besides imported electronics, cars, everything else will be dirt cheap for an American. As a competent American, you'll probably get higher salaries than most. You'll also easily be able to rent a luxury apartment with shared drivers, room service. Healthy food is cheap and tasty. If you are incompetent, it depends. They might still have you as the face of the company to appeal to westerners. Being white has its perks. America seems to shun talent. India will take talent with arms open but thats only for talent. Because talent generates money. Everyone knows this. ----------- - What language would you speak most frequently in the office? English. Mostly because not all Indians know Hindi, so English is a nice common language. In tech, you'll find more educated folks than bumblefucks. That correlates with English usage. ------------------ - Would you get rejected all the time on dating apps like Indian men do with non-Indian women here? No. You'll get a lot of matches. Mostly because you are white. A bit more because many women in cities are educated as fuck and not shallow shopping makeup artists. The ones which went to University will be easily friends with you. India is also poonland for Indian men with social skills. Indian men lack it a bit, partly due to poverty and cultural upbringing. American women are hard to flirt with. They seem to not have a feminine charm that a lot of Indian women have... although that's changing fast. Indian women are becoming equally bitchy and shallow. --------------------------- - Would you hang out exclusively with other Americans like Indians with other Indians here, or would you have to assimilate? Oh man, Indians are social af. They'll invite you to anything and everything. Most of them work to live, unlike silicon valley where everyone constantly measures dick sizes. If you are an awkward person in America, you'll come out a changed man cuz you'll get invited so much its crazy. For a lot of people there, every weekend is Thanksgiving. No need to wait for a specific weekend. -------------------- - Would people make fun of you for bringing smelly western food into the office or wearing stinky deodorant? No. Mostly because they are used to differences in people. Everyone is supposed to be different and that's fine. People might comment but that's mostly out of curiosity or light hearted fun. In America, diversity is a joke. Minorities are never celebrated. In Indian cities, most common people will enjoy minorities. But politicians do politicize differences for votes. Media is like Fox vs MSNBC. ---------------- - What would your career and wealth-generating opportunities look like? Your career will skyrocket because you can represent that company to American clients. You'll probably be rockstar level of you are good at talking and selling. Wealth generation is super fast now because India is growing rapidly. It's maddening to see things change so fast every year. Comes with growing pains bit wealth accumulates faster...if you find a path. Not everyone can find those opportunities. And yes, you can even become a model on the side if you look good. No, your h1b equivalent Visa won't restrict your freedom to pursue other opportunities. American immigration system is equivalent to slavery. Period. ------------------------ - Many westerners’ depictions of India include pooping in a street, trash all over the ground, overpopulation, very hot weather, typical Indian food like curries, rape, racist/caste social structure, call centers, arranged marriages, BO, no rights for women and a very much developing country. I am sure those stereotypes can’t all be accurate. So, for those who have a better perspective, what would it be like and how would it compare to the Indian H1B experience in the US? It exists but is rapidly disappearing. It will never be as good as some westernized countries maybe. Partly because a lot of Indians are literally uneducated (this is what happens when you vote to remove education.... America is getting there) No school districting or hiding of inequality like America. You see everything right on your face. Streets are still filthy but getting cleaner by the year. Some people still poop on railway tracks but lesser by the year, arranged marriages are the norm but that's changing fast (also arranged marriages are not what they show on TV, they're not as bad, people make mistakes). It is overpopulated. Traffic sucks, roads suck. But I cannot in good faith say they aren't changing. It's been 7 years since I left India and honest to God, I don't recognize the country or how people interact. It's way way faster than the US. Summers are hot. It's a tropical country. Also, the above is for major cities. Things change dramatically in small towns and villages. Infrastructure is worse, toilets, clean water and hygiene are an issue in villages. But there is plenty of untouched nature and beauty in many places. There is way too much diversity in geography, climate and weather. Life is good. People keep living. The only folks who don't like it there are hypercompetitive folks who don't like human interaction (aka, self selecting people on blind). For a curious (or ignorant) American, I would recommend visiting for 2 months. You'll learn 3 things: 1. What happens in a world that is not centered around America 2. What do you take for granted in your own country 3. What happens in a market-knows-all small corrupt govt where politicians are bought by the wealthy. If you want to see what inequality looks like, this is the place. India used to be protectionist and they've changed that to make themselves more open. The results are visible. So many people out of poverty. America is going the other way. Sad!

Amazon ghjufh Jan 8, 2018

I will add that you will also learn how lucky you are to have those national parks. Trump is a stupid fuck for trying to cut them down.

Synopsys lOwW45 Jan 8, 2018

I agree with each and every point 👍

First Data yMmS51 Jan 8, 2018

Is “Outsourcing” available on Netflix or Hulu? I’d pick the movie over the sitcom.

Amazon godman! Jan 12, 2018

You do realize that is not even filmed entirely in India. Right?

Adobe Xcf7689 Jan 8, 2018

I am not Indian but I have travelled around. In Asia (China, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand etc), a white guy working for local companies is not migrant worker, he is an expat. They are held in high regards, get the best service in restaurants, hotel etc, has maids, lives in a nice neighborhood, and easily to get dates. Exception will be Japan. I think in general, Japanese don’t regard white guys or foreigners in general higher than themselves. It’s quite a sad phenomenon. Last time I travelled to Singapore, the hotel remembered my Caucasian coworker’s name and went above and beyond with him. As for me, I got corteous treatment and no, they did not remember my name throughout the duration of our stay.

Cisco yUYw72 Jan 8, 2018

I know quite a bit about this actually. The visa itself isn't hard to get. Your company sponsors you for the visa. There are no labor checks and wage checks about "displacing local workers". Once in India you have to visit the "Foreign Registration Office" within 14 days which is hell. Even children are not exempt. After that you have to get a PAN number (tax ID) and Aadhar (Social), which can be inconvenient. If you're white, everything else is simpler, like renting a place, etc. People are generally nice to you and are accepting of things you do. Even the police go easy on you. People do expect bigger tips or expect higher pay (cleaners, drivers, etc). If you're not white, it could get a little rough.

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Amazon godman! Jan 12, 2018

Indians aren't as duche bags as you @mdue35 are. Indians are competitive. I'd be proud to have a white guy work for me in India.