Which is Better to Have on Resume?

Microsoft / Other poi3
Apr 14 69 Comments

Just curious.

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  • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
    Who needs a resume after FAANGM? It's like worrying about things after Nirvana
    Apr 14 7
    • Microsoft xVeQ24
      If M refers to Microsoft, I can attest its not a nirvana state for us
      Apr 14
    • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
      Why is that? Never understood why MS employees feel that way.
      Apr 14
    • Evernote maxten
      Yeah from what I heard MS is doing very well?
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      From friends who work there....there is so much bureaucracy and strong opinions that it makes things so difficult to get anything done quickly. It’s not a lack of talented people, but too many cooks...
      Apr 14
    • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
      Too many cooks but no free food. Yah, I would be unhappy too.
      Apr 14
    • Cisco pista
      Microsoft pay is less than most of fang. But Overall it is slightly better than non fang companies
      Apr 14
    • Qualcomm qfDT63
      I don't think it's less than Amazon for sure, probably equal. It's a case by case basis I have heard so manu people who have got solid offers from MSFT
      Apr 15
  • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
    Let's weigh the options over 5 years
    1: FAANG - you have earned 800k to 1M at least
    2: PHD - you have earned a degree to have a shot at a FAANG job.

    What did we learn from the above exercise? That, you shouldn't be accepted at either for inability to figure this out by yourself. The only thing better than FAANG is being a CEO at FAANG.
    Apr 14 15
    • Compass 905
      Yeah, it’s very easy to stay inside the tower. Also, schools typically do a horrible job of teaching profession skills, like networking.
      Apr 14
    • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
      @poi3: honestly speaking its upto the person. If you are a knowledge oriented person, go get that PhD and try to make a real difference in the world. If you are a money, perks and luxury oriented person, go get that top TC.

      Everyone is different. You need to find your happy place. Dollars and RSUs don't make everyone happy.

      I have friends who make 70k and live a fun and happy life. I have friends making half million struggling at emotional and relationship levels.
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      Jk, Baicocofzn’s advice is solid.
      Apr 14
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

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      @Baicoco - wait, is 70k not that much? I have a PhD and make 45 at my alternately mind-numbingly-boring and stressful corporate job, and lived every minute of my PhD and hate every minute of my job. If my pay went up to 70 I'd probably be a lot happier about work and miss grad school less.
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      I know nurses with associates degrees that make $70k 😬
      Apr 14
    • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
      tooQ10 - I was just giving two drastically different TC's to demonstrate that life style and happiness aren't solely dependent on money. 70k in the bay area is much less than 45k somewhere else. You do you!
      Apr 14
    • New / Ops
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      @Bai - I can hardly imagine how the working class gets by in the Bay. :)
      Apr 14
    • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
      tooQ10 - it is next to impossible for some people. Also, it is extremely difficult to raise a family because 1. both parents have to work, 2. Parents are out of the house for 10-12 hours due to insane commute times, 3. A half decent non-shared apartment/condo for a family will cost 4000 a month
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      I heard some families are splitting homes just to get by. It’s insane. Like, it makes NYC seem affordable.
      Apr 14
  • Micro Focus / Eng Fuuu
    Any code monkey can grind leetcode long enough and get into FANG. That’s not impressive. The vast majority of people simply don’t have what it takes to get into a Ph.D program, let alone finish one. I considered that to be significantly more difficult and impressive. But from a purely practical perspective the FANG would likely be more useful.
    Apr 14 13
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      If you say so.
      Apr 14
    • Micro Focus / Eng Fuuu
      I’ve been here long enough. People here struggle with coding leetcode problems and are incapable of researching solutions to their basic personal problems. You have no idea about the level of complexity of the problems that science and engineering Ph.D candidates at top universities are working on.
      Apr 14
    • Amazon NewlyHired
      I know that they were drawing circles until Google decided that deep learning was useful. Chill with your imagination, most PhD at "top" universities are doing grunt work on dead end research while fighting for funding.
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      Anyone can get into a Top 10 PhD program these days...whether they are going to benefit long term from it is highly variable.
      Apr 14
    • New / Ops
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      PhD holder here; my opinion is 180 degrees opposed. There are only so many FAANG jobs and if you haven't gotten into one when still young, you probably never will, whereas getting a PhD in your 40s or 50s is still possible.
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      So they should go work in Tech, then go get their PhD.
      Apr 14
    • New / Ops
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      But getting into tech is so much more difficult than getting into a PhD program is. FAANGs hire about 0.5% of applicants. Even the most selective PhD program isn't that tough.
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      There are plenty of non-FAANG places that will pay a living wage and not force someone to survive off Ramen noodles and get scurvy.
      Apr 14
    • New / Eng rhpx71
      @tppQ10 i can't tell if you're trolling, but the average phd applicant is much more qualified than the average FAANG applicant. Have u done hiring before? Most ppl applying r clowns lmao so % doesnt say much
      Apr 14
    • New / Ops
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      @rhpx71 - just to be absolutely clear, I'm not talking specifically about CS PhDs. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a typical CS PhD is above a typical FAANG employee. But PhDs in general are probably less qualified than someone who gets -hired- by a FAANG.

      (Just for the record, I sailed through my linguistics master's and doctorate and couldn't even get a phone screen at any FAANG.)
      Apr 14
  • Facebook public2
    What is M?
    Apr 14 10
    • Amazon lolwhat
      Microsoft
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      😂
      Apr 14
    • Facebook public2
      That felt like a penalty on my resume for many years tbh
      Apr 14
    • Amazon lolwhat
      Wow you've been there and you asked what M is 😂 it's that bad
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      Oddly enough, I’ve had recruiters from every FAANG company reach out to me, but never anyone from M.
      Apr 14
    • Facebook public2
      It's almost 2 decades since msft for me.
      Apr 14
    • Amazon lolwhat
      I'm sure it's gotten even worse than it was 2 decades ago
      Apr 14
    • Facebook public2
      Hopefully not, discrimination is significantly less en vogue.
      Apr 14
    • Compass 905
      Everyone I know who works there is white....sooooo prob not
      Apr 14
    • New o∆o
      White? Are you taking about Indians or Chinese?
      Apr 15
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    A science PhD from a top 10 university. The admission, performance, and graduation requirements are far more difficult.
    Apr 14 9
    • Amazon u do u
      More difficult? Yes but on resume? FAANG >>>>> phd
      Apr 14
    • Amazon lolwhat
      Sure it is. Hard labor at a construction site is difficult too. Running IronMan triathlon is difficult. Difficulty and rewards have no correlation.
      Apr 14
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Having FAANG on a resume proves nothing, other than one got hired. They could have been a boot camp graduate and an LC memorizer.

      A science PhD from a top 10 university is someone at the top of their domain.

      No one would hire the junior FAANG employee over a graduate from a top PhD program for a science research role.

      We are talking about top 10 programs here, not online PhD’s.
      Apr 14
    • Amazon u do u
      Junior? Assuming that one went to FAANG right after grad and other one went to get phd, one who joined FAANG would easily be a senior; even higher than senior if they have same calibre of intelligence.

      Top of their domain? Sure but how useful that domain is really situational dependent. You really think getting a phd is more impressive than 5-year-track as a senior sde at FAANG to the hms?
      Apr 14
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      As a hiring manager, yes.

      Obviously the domain is situational that is the whole point of a PhD. It isn’t a generic degree.

      You would seriously give higher review priority to the “I worked at Amazon” candidate over the “I have a PhD from MIT in ML” candidate?

      I get the sense a lot of non-hiring managers without degrees from top 10 programs are opining on this thread.
      Apr 14
    • Amazon u do u
      A phd candidate not only has 0 yrs of exp, i cant tell how quickly that person can ramp up and contribute to my team. Thats a risk and it may spike an interest to interview them but no guarantees. On the other hand, senior at FAANG for at least few years? This candidate is pretty much guaranteed to ramp up quick and contribute so much faster already.

      I think your definition of impressiveness depends on how rare you see these ppl. Mines just based on how quick they get promoted and how much actual work/contribution they can give me right away from the hiring.
      Apr 14
    • Facebook BaiCocoFzn
      I love it now everyone is stuck on "Top 10 University". Universities are basically cash cows now. If you are passionate about something and willing to put in the time to innovate something useful, research something ground breaking or make meaningful contribution to sciences, you don't need a university. You can do it on your own time online and at home or at a library. Everything is available to you at the tip of your fingertips. All you need are the non-tangibles within you and not a big name university. Most of today's research is done online even at the top universities anyway.
      On the flip side, you could be book smart and get a PhD from Harvard by doing mundane tasks and grunt work of "studying".
      There are tons and tons of PhDs from top colleges working in tech doing nothing remotely related to their PhD research.
      Apr 14
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      @Bai - I'm one of those people you describe in your last sentence. Loved my PhD research, but it has no commercial value so I just kept doing my gruntworky middle class day job after I graduated.
      Apr 15
    • Facebook FBDrunk
      tooQ10 - its all good! Gotta pay them bills right? Glad you got to explore the research subject for so many years. It's an experience of it's own, I'm sure. Most don't have the guts to pursue it and take the easy path of working for someone else right away. You are special in your own right.
      Apr 15
  • BluVector sparked
    Why not neither?!
    Apr 14 0
  • Google / Eng
    चाचा चौधरी

    Google Eng

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    Just send a picture of your badge. $500k+ jobs, cto roles, and 18 year old hotties will come flocking in
    Apr 14 0
  • New gJyp57
    That depends on who sees the resume, what you're applying for, and want you want. For instance, if you've worked at FAANGM, but you actually want to do cancer research at a top laboratory, meaning getting your hands wet in molecular biology, genetics, etc., but do not hold a PhD degree, you may be an essential asset in coding, algorithms, etc., but other that, you'd pretty much be useless. The same goes the other way around, I think. If the reason you're asking is moneywise, I guess FAANGM is a better option.
    Apr 15 0
  • IBM modelx
    PhD from top 10 is harder but FANG is better for future opportunities.
    Apr 14 0
  • Amazon lolwhat
    Why not both!!!
    Apr 14 0
  • Oath / Mgmt Atinlay2
    Prestige chaser
    Apr 14 0
  • New balochi
    I think PhD can give you idea for start up.. depends on your priority
    Apr 14 0
  • Amazon
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    Become a 3P seller on Amazon. If you make it big ($30MM+ in rev) then you don’t need faang
    Apr 14 0
  • Google
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    Depends on where you want to go. What's the objective?
    Apr 14 0
  • Microsoft / R&D
    UNjV02

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    Why not have both
    Apr 14 0