Which level should I target at Google?

Microsoft OcBh02
Apr 1 16 Comments

Microsoft Level 64. 5 Yoe. I am planning to interview at Google. My recruiter told me that they don't hire T5 externally with only 5 YOE. I feel like MS Level 64 to Google T4 is a down level for me. I know some friends who make T5 in 3.5 years and T6 in 4.5 years, but they all joined Google out of campus and got promoted internally.

Should I insist on interviewing at T5 or should I interview at T4 and try to get higher TC?

Current TC: 250K

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TOP 16 Comments
  • Google Mmkaay
    I was at Microsoft. You should push for T5 if both of the following is true:
    1. You are very good at system design
    2. You join a team that matches your current domain knowledge.

    Believe it or not T5s at Google are probably more competent than L65s at Microsoft.
    Apr 2 0
  • Quora vhQW50
    Just provide an extreme data point for Google T4 TC: 370k plus 50k sign on, with strong competing offer. However, downlevel is a common thing at Google based on what I observed these days.
    Apr 2 1
    • How many yoe? Also, which competing offers and at which levels?
      Apr 2
  • Nordstrom Nepotism
    Focus on TC over level but try to go for 5. As said, they downlevel a lot but if you're good you can promo quick. Google prefers people to excel at a lower level and promo rather than struggle at higher.
    Apr 2 0
  • Tumblr Olajuwo
    You’d get more than 250k TC at L4
    Apr 2 0
  • Dropbox hMIs66
    Get some senior counter offers
    Apr 2 0
  • Microsoft Omni
    Do you have a graduate degree? Or you joined as 59 and got to 64 in 5 years?
    Apr 2 2
    • Microsoft OcBh02
      OP
      I have a master degree and joined at 60.
      Apr 2
    • Microsoft Omni
      Very nice! How did you manage a yearly promotion velocity? Which org?
      Apr 2
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    I had this last month. HC downleveled me to L4. I had to push the recruiter to set me up for L5 loop. She said me the same thing that they don't hire external L5 with 6 yoe. I'm l64 at Microsoft.

    Got other offers and didn't choose Google eventually.
    Apr 2 5
    • Google / Eng catburglar
      What other offers did you have?
      Apr 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Amazon, Airbnb, Pinterest were the main ones. I had a few others but wasn't considering those. I chose Airbnb.
      Apr 2
    • Google / Eng catburglar
      You don't have strong enough competing offers.
      Apr 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Could be. Comp wise my other offers were considerably better than Google L5 could have been, but yea still paper money.

      I had an option of going for Google L5 by another couple design rounds. But I didnt want it at this time.
      Apr 2
    • OSIsoft lovelife
      Probably Facebook offer is the only "strong offer" for Google
      Apr 2
  • Microsoft ty hg a
    Going to t4 is simply not worth it. There is no guarantee that you'll achieve same promo velocity outside of your current team (read: manager)
    Apr 2 0