Which state should I move to, Portland, OR, Salt Lake City, UT, Seattle, WA, Austin TX, or Denver, CO?

Chase / Eng iCMf02
Aug 26, 2018 88 Comments

Here’s a background about me:

I’m Chinese American. I have a few years in Software Engineering and looking to transition to sales engineering and/or product management roles. I grew up and raised in NYC basically my entire life and I’m looking to relocate for a better quality of life while I can earn more and save more (reason I don’t want to stay in NYC and neither want to go to SF due to cost of living)
A couple of things I choose these location is one of the followings:

* Great weather all year long and amazing national parks around the local area. (I love hiking)
* Tech Job Opportunities (I’m looking to grow my career into the sales engineering and product management path)
* Opportunity to make higher income while saving more money and taxes.
* Opportunity to house hack (not looking to pay high house mortgages that SF and NYC currently has)
* Looking to build a real estate empire

Questions:

* Do anyone have gone through a similar situation and would love to share?
* How would you rank those states to live and work towards the FIRE (Financial independence and Retired Early) path from 1 - 5 (most prefer and least prefer)?
* Any thoughts you can comment on this post?

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TOP 88 Comments
  • Qualtrics / Ops
    qualtricdo

    Qualtrics Ops

    BIO
    Came from non tech to tech.
    qualtricdomore
    Based on what you are saying I think SLC is the choice. You have great access to mountains (most of silicon slopes is right on the mountains, and moan/Zion is a short drive).

    Here's the biggest win though - property is still cheap in utah and the rental market is insane. Very easy to CoC positive with minimal risk. Utah is full of Mormons who have 5 kids each. They all want to stay here. 10 years ago there weren't enough jobs, now there are. Byu and other local universities cause rent prices to fly up. Right now you can buy a house where you can rent out the basement for $1k/mo and the top level for $1300k/mo and it will only cost you 250k. The property market will drop at some point, but because of the aforementioned points, UT is insulated. Plus there is little room left for development in the salt lake valley.

    You will have abetter ability to jump from tech company to tech company in other markets, but Utah has great access to hiking (silicon slopes is in the mountains, Denver is a 1hr drive to mountains) and great (low risk) real estate options. The downsides to SLC are limited tech job hopping and poor air quality
    Aug 26, 2018 14
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      what was your take to austin and austin? and what made you live in socal?
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Procore / Eng Hello20014
      I loved it. I was born and raised there. It’s a lot different now. The only major downsides are there weather, bugs, and I have heard the traffic is bad but it nothing close to LA so I’m sure it’s ok. Texas is conservative but Austin is very liberal but because Austin is this little bubble in Texas I feel the liberal attitudes can be a bit much as I feel they are trying to prove themselves. Politics are a bit more chill in California. But other than that, it’s awesome.

      Moved to California because my wife is from here and she wanted to be close to family.
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      sorry I meant austin vs SLC. did you say you were born and raised in austin or socal? and what’s your take in SLC?
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Overstock.com / Eng XDlT03
      +1 but I don’t really agree that you can’t jump around between software engineering roles. Plenty of roles from SLC to 40 miles south in Provo. And jumping around is very feasible and a lot of people do it. Just depends on the tech stack and company culture you want to work in.

      Also, property in SLC is going to cost you the most. It’s creeping up on or about the same as Portland.
      Aug 27, 2018
    • Procore / Eng Hello20014
      I was raised in Austin. Miss it a lot. Would love to move back.
      Aug 28, 2018
  • HP !HPPLZ
    Denver or Boulder. Forget Austin — too crowded, too edgy, too... something. The Boulder area will give you Google, Uber, Amazon, Microsoft, Salesforce, Workday, SendGrid, Carbon Black, Splunk and so forth.

    Weather isn’t a cakewalk, we have winter, but it’s not like fucking NY. The snow will melt the next day. Also, 300 days of sun. You’ll get an amazing skiing experience, crazy hikes during the winter and several fourteeners.

    I’ll never leave Colorado.
    Aug 26, 2018 1
    • Capital One / Other Krshfi
      I didn’t know that boulder has so many tech companies. Are these Tech/corporate offices? Or only for sales, customer care, etc?
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Intel !GPTW
    Phoenix Az

    Lower COL Than anywhere listed and higher QOL.
    Aug 26, 2018 2
    • Capital One / Other Krshfi
      Weather not so great
      Aug 26, 2018
    • American Express / Eng Heylo
      Except for summer, AZ weather is prefect especially if one wants to hike.
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Overstock.com / Eng XDlT03
    SLC.

    Outdoor (ski, bike, hike, camp) access is better than any of the cities you listed and contrary to popular belief, it’s very Liberal (if you care about that stuff). Also the tech scene is very good, and a tech salary gets you a very big house in the suburbs.
    Aug 27, 2018 9
    • Microsoft Fpqq57
      All better opportunities than IBM.
      Aug 28, 2018
    • IBM / Eng HGKE00
      I'm in FANG, have been for awhile. Just didn't feel like making a new account.

      Plus Austin has a _few_ more tech companies of merit.
      Aug 28, 2018
    • Overstock.com / Eng XDlT03
      @TurntAF fuck you laughing at?
      Aug 28, 2018
    • Microsoft TurntAF
      You. Who the fuck says Utah is liberal? It’s one of the most conservative, Republican, religious places in the nation. Clearly you’ve never lived there. Check the data next time https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Utah,_2016
      Aug 28, 2018
    • Overstock.com / Eng XDlT03
      @TurntAF I am talking about SLC as in Salt Lake City, you dweeb. Not the entire state. Read my comment next time. And currently I do live there 🤙🏻
      Aug 28, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    eisenhower

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Google
    eisenhowermore
    There's only one place in America with great weather all year long: North California. It also has got great job opportunities, as do every other city in your list (Seattle, Austin, Denver, and a bit less in Portland and Denver). However, while income is high in NoCal, taxes and COL are also really high. BUT! Saving 30% of your income in California is worth more than saving 30% of your income in any other place. WA has no state income taxes, and that's a huge bonus, especially because it also doesn't have capital gains tax. Apart from that, WA is good for house hacking, since there's no rent control. Housing is expensive, though. It's going through a correction right now, but I don't know if it will be significant
    Aug 26, 2018 3
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      are you from nocal?
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      eisenhower

      Amazon Eng

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      eisenhowermore
      I'm foreigner, living in Seattle WA.
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Qualtrics / Ops
      qualtricdo

      Qualtrics Ops

      BIO
      Came from non tech to tech.
      qualtricdomore
      No state income tax or capital gains is a huge deal!
      Aug 26, 2018
  • IBM / Eng HGKE00
    Please, no one move to Austin. We're full. We've been full for at least a decade.
    Aug 27, 2018 2
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      lol if you think austin is crowded, come to nyc and know what crowded really truly is
      Aug 27, 2018
    • IBM / Eng HGKE00
      NYC has a proper bus and subway system. Austin has neither. Everyone new buys a house outside of the city and drives in.
      Aug 27, 2018
  • T-Mobile g3lws9
    Great weather all year round is subjective. Want hot hot weather? Texas has hot hot weather. Weather that is hot is torture to me, as bad as rain or freezing. What is your ideal weather?

    I love 4 seasons, mild Summers, and a winter where I can see some snow but temperatures stay above 35 most the time. Best hiking weather 35 to 50 degrees. What do you like?
    Aug 26, 2018 2
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      I like spring, fall, summer, don’t like winter but also don’t hate it too much.

      where do you live?
      Aug 26, 2018
    • T-Mobile g3lws9
      East side suburbs, Seattle. Most beautiful place I have been to. It is totally worth your time and money to take 3 or 4 day trips to each city and see what it is like....
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Capital One / Other Krshfi
    Austin has all the things in your list.
    - Almost every big Tech company has a presence there
    - the weather is great for 9/12 months(except summer and even that is bearable if you ask me)
    - Real estate market is good. Very affordable to buy a house in TX
    - Low COL. No state income tax
    - Happening city life with a large young demographic (because of UT Austin)

    The one thing lacking in Austin is the mountains. Although there is still lot of activity in the city like kayaking, hiking, etc.
    Aug 26, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng
      5’6

      Microsoft Eng

      PRE
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      5’6more
      👍🏾you live in Austin too? Just moved here and fucking love this city. A little hot, but fucking beautiful
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Capital One / Other Krshfi
      I actually live in Dallas which is a 3 hr drive from Austin. But will be moving to Austin in a few weeks. Yeah Austin is amazing. Wait for one month and you will love the weather from Sep - April.
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Capital One / Other Krshfi
      You work in MS Austin?
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      5’6

      Microsoft Eng

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      5’6more
      Yeah I work for MS remotely from here
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Capital One / Other Bdhfjuy
    Folks who voted for Denver. Which companies are there in that area?

    I would love to live in Colorado but I feel there are not that many opportunities (especially for engineering/Analyst) roles.
    Aug 27, 2018 3
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      i’d like to know as well. like what jobs do they have more often in tech? is it more sales, marketing or engineering roles?
      Aug 27, 2018
    • New CiOI38
      Slack is moving a large organization to Denver; Auth0 is as well. Boulder has extensions of some valley companies (eg: FB, Google, Amazon, Github, etc). Those companies tend to host operational (data center) or sales engineering roles here from what I've seen.
      Sep 20, 2018
    • Capital One / Other Dfjsbsj
      Yeah I did see some job postings at Google, Boulder office.
      Sep 20, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Harmar
    Not Seattle, we have enough people already.
    Aug 27, 2018 0
  • Nielsen / Eng
    Makeup

    Nielsen Eng

    BIO
    Proficient in Spark, Hadoop, Hive, Cloud, Java. Seeking opportunities!
    Makeupmore
    Seattle without a doubt. Asians are the second largest in the Seattle area.
    Aug 27, 2018 0
  • Capital One / Other Krshfi
    1. Austin
    2. Seattle
    3. Denver
    4. Salt lake city
    5. Portland

    Austin and Seattle are the only 2 cities in your list which have a significant Tech presence. If it were not for Seattle’s gloomy weather it would be the perfect city to live in.
    Aug 26, 2018 0
  • Qualtrics / Ops
    qualtricdo

    Qualtrics Ops

    BIO
    Came from non tech to tech.
    qualtricdomore
    SLC always votes blue. Outside of SLC is heavy red
    Aug 27, 2018 1
    • Capital One / Other Bdhfjuy
      Actually all the states in OP’s list are blue except Texas
      Aug 27, 2018
  • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
    Live in Seattle, house hack in Portland.
    Aug 28, 2018 7
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      where do you live? have you been to seattle? does the rain bother you?
      Aug 28, 2018
    • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
      I've lived in Seattle before, compared to the east coast the rain is meaningless and the weather is great.
      Aug 28, 2018
    • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
      meaningless? I heard it rain 🌧 frequently and it drizzles
      Aug 28, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      eisenhower

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Google
      eisenhowermore
      Rain is not bad. Really. It's a long drizzle starting late October and not stopping until March. My biggest issue with Seattle is that days are really short in winter (8-4), and the rainy weather makes it even darker.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
      Yeah I agree the short winter days are substantially worse than the rain.
      Aug 29, 2018
  • New / Eng xoxoyo
    You own a McMansion in Texas only because you got nowhere else to go. It’s too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter.
    Aug 27, 2018 6
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      I wouldn’t talk about it if I didn’t. Lived in tx for 3 years + 6 months in Dallas
      Aug 27, 2018
    • Capital One / Other Bdhfjuy
      I live in Dallas currently. It hardly snows here and the temperatures in winters rarely goes below 35. I wouldn’t call that too cold for winters.
      Aug 27, 2018
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      It snowed the one winter I lived there. That was a few years ago. This was a rare occasion but other years it was still cold in the winter nevertheless. It might be me who’s cold and not a problem for East coast people.
      Aug 27, 2018
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      Summers are super hot and there’s practically nothing to do. There’s also very little culture. There’s no good Asian food or bubble tea to be found. Most Asian restaurants tend to be mediocre. I had to drive 30 mins for bubble tea and it tasted bad. I did find a really good tapas place and Texas BBQ is also amazing.
      Aug 27, 2018
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      I walked around my neighborhood in the middle of June/July and it was unbearably hot. But of course I’ve been living in California for too long so I’m used to having great weather. Texas is where I would retire but not want to be building an active career or life there.
      Aug 27, 2018
  • New / Eng xoxoyo
    It depends on your interest and lifestyle. In Texas everyone is a homebody and in Colorado everyone is outdoorsy. Austin is a fun place and everyone owns huge mansions because they need to stay indoors all the time. If in Austin, I was looking into South Lamar area. Colorado is amazing too. Seattle is too rainy for my taste but if you don’t mind the rain, then it’s great. Portland has more hardware companies than software companies but it’s growing
    Aug 27, 2018 0
  • Kalkomey / Eng furiosa
    If you like being stuck in traffic and dealing with pretentiousness, Austin’s a great place! /s

    Denver is full of wannabes. Oh and if you aren’t from CO: fuck you. They have a serious problem with people moving to “their state”
    Sep 1, 2018 2
    • Capital One / Other Ikfjsk
      Where do you live
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Not true about Denver and CO
      Sep 2, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng acef
    Any idea how the public schools are in Austin?
    Aug 26, 2018 1
    • Capital One / Other Krshfi
      Austin and Dallas have some of the best school districts in the country. I am including the suburb cities also here
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Wells Fargo / IT
    nsight

    Wells Fargo IT

    BIO
    Background as BI and data analyst, currently working to build out Hadoop analytics infrastructure.
    nsightmore
    Keep in mind housing hacks like renting/buying a boat or rv to live in pricey cities. You may have heard stories about Google and Facebook engineers living in their parking lots for free saving the majority of their salaries. Also, what about tech centers in VA and NC? Close to outdoor activities.
    Sep 26, 2018 0
  • Chase / Eng Hustler🔥
    i’m curious why a lot voted austin and seattle the top 2. Any comment on that?
    Aug 26, 2018 0

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