There are of course many reasons why China is superior to the USA but I would like to hear people's opinions on what those are specifically.
- I dunno, there is definitely left leaning bias in schools, but it’s not to the point of indoctrination. I have a 10 and 13 YO in public school, and while my kids sometimes tell of the teachers bad-mouthing Trump, my son also draws plenty of gun pictures at school, and other boy stuff, and the teachers don’t flip out.
- I mean in terms of the content they teach, they don't teach that the dropping of atomic bombs had very strong push back against from the generals there or that the US wanted war with Japan for years and so in the 1930s they began embargoes against the country, etc. There's lots of national myths in the US as well. I also don't remember my public school textbook talking about how Jewish refugees in the 1930s were denied entry.
- @twitch above
tldr but your response is basically
1. China's justification of annexing Tibet:
- Tibet holds vital water resource to China - so did Tibet play any threatening move with it?
- If China doesn't, India will annex instead. - so India is more bad guy here and India vs China all of a sudden?
- Tibet can't support themselves anyway. - On what base? they were self sufficient before and still wants to remain independent.
2. I know Hawaii was annexed by USA as well but I'd rather be Hawaiian under USA than Tibetan under China, wouldn't u?
3. USA is not friends with Taiwan? It sure is. But even if we assume they are not, China has ZERO friends in entire Asian region doesn't it? Why is that, care to explain?
Lastly, your proud culture was extinguished by your worshipped Mao through cultural revolution. The time of the history that you cite is not your history. In fact it is your very heritage that you were ashamed of at one point to not hesitate in destroying with your own hands and now trying to claim back? doesn't work like that. I ask both you and op about your opinion on cultural revolution, share it here. Op is already dodging for some reason as you can see ;)
- @jidao Taiwan is not an independent state. There is only one China, it just so happens that both the people's republic, and the republic of China, both believe they have ownership over China. The international community however does not recognize Taiwan as the legitimate governing power of China.
Irregardless of what Taiwan thinks about China, there's only about 18 countries today that recognize Taiwan as a state, mostly really small and poor countries with zero political influence... And then also the Vatican city.
So sure, Taiwan may hate the mainland or feel its closer to Japan (although... Not sure why that would be case given that historically, they massacred the entire pacific region, and today don't really deal with Taiwan all that well either), Taiwan is treated no differently than Hawaii with the exception that Taiwan is a special autonomous region within China that has its own government, currency, and economy
- No difference except its own government, currency, and economy... Lol that's more than what you can say about the European countries...
The old generation of Taiwanese were Japanese, they speak Taiwanese and Japanese and some don't even speak Mandarin... That's why they feel closer to Japanese.
Anyway if having your own government, army, currency, laws, economy, etc is not enough for you to be an independent state, then what is it? Why is US not just a province of England then?
- Uh... Because England gave up control over the US after they lost in the war?... Signing a treaty after a major war allowing the US to have its own independence would make the US not just a province of England...
That never happened with Taiwan. The republic fled to Taiwan and continues to this day to believe that they are the true government of greater China. Just that nobody recognizes them to be so.
1. I didn't say there was a justification, I had only presented China's needs for doing so. I also didn't say that this situation was ideal, just that irregardless of what China does or what Tibet thinks, Tibet will be under someone's control. An independent Tibet is highly unlikely because either China or India will annex it. This is regardless of whether the Tibetan can support themselves or not.
2. No. My dude. Their queen was held at gun point and forced to sign her rights away out of fear for her life. That ain't right. If you were a native Hawaiian (not a mainland American going there for tourism of military service), and you had learned that the mainland Americans has basically taken over your land and heritage and got a bunch of their own people to settle the land and interbreed with your people to slowly weed out your culture (basically the story of any indigenous people in America), you would be pist. There's a bunch of native Hawaiians trying to start a separatist movement today, but as there are more mainlanders now living in Hawaii, that vote will never pass. The only way they can get attention is by starting violent protests, at which time, they will be branded as terror activists and get taken care of by local authorities.
3. There is no such things as "friends" in politics. There are only parties that you can benefit more from by staying as allies. And to your point about having no allies in the region, in close proximity, China is closely allied with Russia, Pakistan, Serbia, and North Korea. Why is your point about China having allies or not even relevant?
4. Culture was extinguished? My dude, yes, there was the cultural revolution, yes it was probably net negative, but to imply that the revolution had somehow annihilated centuries of culture and history, makes absolutely no sense. Also, I fail to see where the point about the cultural revolution was trying to lead to, it just came out of left field and it didn't go anywhere as a poorly constructed strawman.
Last stop calling it my culture. You have no idea who I am. I could be a an American who never set foot in China. But the fact that you are taking a personal attack on me makes it feel like you have an emotional interest in attacking me as if I had offended you. It leads me to believe that you either really like me or have a strong and unjustified anti China bias.
- Life in China is no different culturally than for the Chinese who are living outside of China.
Same festivals, same idioms, same confucian values, LOTS of museums and archaeological sites.
I think those that bring up the cultural revolution have never actually been to China.
That was an event 50+ years ago and is considered to have been a bad thing by all including the CCP so many steps were taken to reverse it.
- Taiwanese don't claim they're the real China not want anything to do with China. Real Taiwanese hate China, so let them alone.
Besides I took us as example, but my point was, what's your definition of country, what do you need to be a country, as far as I know the barbarian who invaded the Roman empire to create France did not sign a treaty with the Romanian... Is France just a province of Italy?
- Not sure who the "real Taiwanese people" refers to. Taiwan has 2 major parties, the kmt and the dpp. The kmt continues to hold the one China policy and its stance that it is the rightful governing party under the ROC constitution.
The dpp is anti China, but recently, suffered a pretty big setback in the local elections to the kmt. We'll see how that impacts future elections and Taiwan stance on China.
Beside the point... Who the hell are the real Taiwanese people? You can't claim that real Taiwan people don't want anything with China when that's the not how the people are voting in the polls, and when one of the two major parties continues to claim they are the real China.
As for France, sorry, not familiar with French history. Can't help you there.
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- Genocide in Cambodia makes no sense, that was performed by the Khmer Rouge which was the Cambodian government.
Collective insanity is a rather emotional term that lacks any substance.
China is quickly becoming the largest and most influential economy while currently being involved in no wars whatsoever so I'm not sure why you are trying to frame them as aggressive.
The reformation process initiated by Deng has also probably lifted the most people out of poverty in the shortest time in recorded history.
Freeing 500 million people from poverty (as estimated by the world bank) doesn't sound very anti-humanitarian.
- CFO wasn't convicted yet so you don't know what really happened.
Secondly Huawei is constantly rated as being the best provider of 5G telecommunications equipment and they have R&D centers all over the world (not just in China) and lots and lots of parents themselves, so to insult them and say they are "entirely" based on fraud is kind of hyperbole.
They aren't even totally banned from the US as rural network carriers extensively rely on them for both their pricing and customer service. Huawei got its start in providing telecommunications equipment for developing countries.
- I just said to look at the histories of those territories. And current international law isn't too favorable to secession by in large. We can also just US ally Spain to the same standards, look at their actions toward Catalonia in recent history.
The US also forcibly took its Southern states as well.
- And people like you grow up thinking the US has a nice foreign policy history. I didn't even know that the US as well supported the Khmer Rouge as a result of the Vietnamese beint enemies of the US. I mean God, Look at how Ron Paul was treated in the 2007 presidential debate when explaining blowback and how he was booed. The average American right now probably knows nothing about what's going on in Yemen.
Huawei has tons and tons of patents and R&D and grew into a lucrative and important company. To just say everything is theft or whatever without bringing evidence or examples makes you look like a fool who doesn't know what he is talking about.
As for your question, I will just leave an article talking this IP dispute here that sums up my views:
- There was a civil lawsuit that ended already, we'll see what the new suit is about. Also my point about the company being built solely on "theft" alone still stands. That is bullshit. That there are some IP infringements here and there is not much of a testimony to the overall picture. If it's so easy to make a company by "stealing" ideas, you should do it.
- New EzosChina is better because it steals America's intellectual property. Are you serious?
- The law states you have to get executed for smuggling drugs into the country. I don't agree with laws like this but it's wrong to point it out as an anomaly. Staunch US allies like Saudi Arabia and Singapore have laws like that and yes both of them have executed plenty of foreigners for such.
As for whether Texas has, yes it looks like it.
- Just admit that you read a news article that told you to be outraged and you obliged.
I have no mercy for a guy who tried to import half a tonne of meth into someone else's country.
It's also admirable that China is trying to prevent the export of illegal drugs rather than just pursuing importation.
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- Reddit y34basForgot this one option: state level organized intellectual property theft and constant violation of all international trade agreements
- Two things in regards to intellectual property transfer:
1) The intellectual property transfer occurs occasionally and if it is against WTO rules the courts US and other like minded allies could go settle this in the WTO but the Trump administration refuses to appoint an appellate judge to the WTO at the current moment, so in this regard it's also the US that's not playing by the "multilateral rules based trading system."
2) China has by in large played by the WTO rules *when they were challenged* with breaking them when it comes to honoring the rulings.
- @expedia, Yes so much for playing by the rule ;)
- Here's a quote that replies to what you say in essence:
I think people here should read this to think about things in context:
A good snippet:
Here’s a question for those who think American industry is being devastated by Chinese IP theft. How would the US stock market react to a sudden agreement that ended the threat of trade war, at the cost of Trump achieving only minor concessions from the Chinese? Would stocks plunge in disappointment about us not doing anything about IP theft? I doubt it; I think stocks would rise on the news. Admittedly, the market test is not the only one that matters; there may be military considerations as well. But it’s worth thinking about when trying to evaluate plausible estimates of economic damage from IP theft.Jan 211
- So your vote options are basically:
1) Racist society formed from xenophobic nationalism
2) Homophobic family values that turn humans into baby-making machines
3) Ingrained belief in education that values test scores and only promotes corporal punishment and parental violence
4) Communist government, censorship, dictatorship
- New jaffbozoChina is better than America in
- high-quality in-house concentration camps compared to off-shore lousy Guantanamo Bay.
- unethical and blatant IP theft. Ordered a pair of Adidas EQTs via eBay without paying attention and turns out to be a fake one from the great copy city of Fujian.
- stable iron-fisted leadership with citizens getting no chance to elect an orange buffoon or crooked Hillary.
- high-speed internet free of free speech.
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- That's true.
I am also a fan of the Wolfenstein games.
And Call of Duty is also great.
And then there's Battlefield series which is fun.
And what about Saving Private Ryan and the infinite other world war 2 movies.
Amazing isn't it that China also likes war movies depicting how they fought their enemies.
And they do show KMT fighting but of course like to make CCP look good, I'm not sure I care though.
I don't see England, France, Poland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc. get a mention in war movies even though the US only intervened years into the war.
- Kent State Shootings
- it is indeed better. that’s why is a 10 year waiting list for americans and westerners in general to move to china
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- China's biggest advantage over the US is its larger population. 1.4bn people means a business, start up or established, has that much more potential to find market demand and make things work. More opportunities that work means more people seeking these opportunities, resulting in faster innovation cycles and technological leaps.
As an example, China is now a cashless society, and almost everything you need is integrated into one or two apps on your phone.
Walk down the street and feel hungry? Open maps and find the best food joints nearby. One click to ship food to your house, pay with digital account. Food arrives in less than 15 min, no need to tip anyone unlike doordash or ubereats. Oh, your phone is running out of battery? Scan one of the qr codes of a nearby kiosk and out pops a portable phone charger for rent. It's raining? Rent an umbrella from a similar kiosk by scanning your phone. Get on the bus by scanning your phone, order a taxi and pay with your phone. Rent a fucking basketball, a basketball dude, from a phone operated kiosk if you want exercise.
Life is just radically more convinient in the most obscure ways people don't typically imagine.
All of the commonly mentioned problems obviously exist in China. Shit internet is censored (but you can VPN out), shit pollution is rampant (you gotta wear an uncomfortable face mask all day), shit it's overly crowded and messy at places and times. But honestly, in day to day life, with the exception of pollution and smog, you really don't feel it all that much. But that cashless system and convinience of getting what you want, is really felt.
- Pollution does suck. There's no escape from that unfortunately. You get off the plane and choke on the smog. Climate change there is a tangible thing, you see it with your eyes (factories and major infrastruftures are built near your city and weather patterns actually change...), there ain't no naysers there.
But that said, the positive is that as pollution is of such dire levels in China, the government has no choice but to prioritize environment cleanup initiatives; investing in greentech, cutting back on coal usage, pushing for recycling, etc. It's real bad over there, but at least it's slowly improving. Can't say the same for the US though which apparently seems to be going back to relying more on coal and is now leaving global pacts on preserving the environment :/Jan 230
- Shanghai had great air when I was there recently but yes Beijing and rural was really bad.
Given that they are the biggest spender on the environment by exponential figures I would say that will improve.
Air quality and livability is the reason they are investing big in solar and banning dirty industry like recycling US garbage.
Reuters reports they are investing 650 billion usd currently and are forecast to spend over a trillion usd in 2020.
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- I spend my max 90 days allowed per year over there and all joking aside, it's pretty unbelievable how much things have advanced in China over the last ten years that I have been going there. Don't get me wrong, I still hate going there, but it's growing up fast.
I'm not a fanboy of China by ANY stretch, but when I go there now (Beijing, Shanghai) I see that they are quickly passing the USA for tech and just general integration. I mean the place is still a police state, but they are running waaaay past the west now, and it makes me really, really worried about how much longer we can be competitive.
People in the States think the big cities in China area just backwater and I did too. Now I squirm with concern for the west. People here always talk about how China might pass us up. Spend some time in Shanghai or Beijing. They already have.