Women in Tech

Why there are fewer women in tech?

Microsoft Task.run
Dec 12, 2018

Over and over, people asked the questions “why do you think there are fewer women in tech”, “what can we do to bring more number of women into the tech industry”.
And I’m like, what you are asking me is not a one line answer I could give and you will probably not like the answer.
The question, in fact, should be “why less women everywhere, in all fields, except home making”

To understand the answer, thought I would share this: https://www.quora.com/If-men-and-women-are-equal-how-did-the-society-become-patriarchal-in-the-first-place-almost-all-around-the-world/answer/Feifei-Wang-6?ch=10&share=9bab9d07&srid=JRYm

PS: not trying to start a gender war. And don’t comment unless you read answer in the link above, not here for ignorant audience.

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  • Apple / EngMojaveX
    There are less women doing construction work but I never see anyone talk about that.
    Dec 12, 201814
    • Amazon Tough life
      I have been to India and this picture is a reality . I have seen labor women do all kinds of work there and it was unbelievable on how here in the US we tried on 8 different baby carrier and probably spent over a 1k on baby carriers . I would say a lot of women in India do construction work because it a lot Manual compared to other countries !
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft / EngTier 1
      Wtf that woman should be arrested for endangering the baby. Why is she carrying a stack of bricks on top of her head?!
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Amazon Tough life
      That’s how life in third world countries is and we should indeed be grateful for everything we have 😊
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Google balin
      So the answer to that question is “a lot” :) very accurate and scientific!
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft Task.run
      OP
      I can’t show you more than one picture on blind. To know the real statistics, you would have to go to India. This scene is very common in India and they usually put their babies in baskets and go on working all day. It’s sad and dangerous, but there are so many things like this happening in third world countries. Not one person or politician can fix it.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft Mangiferus
      Some comments here show how people are just unaware of third world country problems.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft / EngИN
      The fact that a lot of women in India work in construction field, doesn't prove the rest of the world and other third world countries in particular are like that too (and yes, I've been to some of those). It's sad women have to risk their and their kids' lives working in such conditions, yes. But it doesn't prove that overall ratio is significantly inclined towards them.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Apple / EngMarijuana
      I love the fact that you bring up poor countries like India.

      Women can definitely do jobs if they have to put food on the table.

      In richer countries (higher minimum wage, food stamps, and other benefits), women have the liberty of choice. And the richer the country, the less likely women are to enter professions like engineering. Many, many different studies show this.

      Which is exactly the point that Damore and others made. In the USA and other rich countries, you’re not going to get 50:50 gender representation.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft / Engkejriwal
      Most of these ladies are working in India in such terrible condition because either their husband has left them or he spends whatever he earns on liquor.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Presidio PHrl11
      Because they re too damn tired after working all day to be on here...
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Google / Eng
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    Someone once wrote a 10-page manifesto on this.
    Dec 12, 20188
    • Microsoft NoobDev
      You obviously have not read it. Even Steven Pinker defended Damore

      https://youtu.be/qZZSYPs1_ng

      But don’t do your own thinking let others tell you what to think
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      I read it. EVERY word. Damore's arguments are not well thought out. It's like trying to watch a grown man seriously try to defend the existence of the Easter bunny. Pinker defended his logic, not his processor his conclusion. His conclusion is wrong, which is what you would expect whrn an amateur ventures out of their depth.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft NoobDev
      I will take the work of a Harvard prof over you any day. But do tell what you found problematic. Since you read EVERY word, what triggered you exactly.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft NoobDev
      Still waiting on what triggered you
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      LOL other professors, both at Harvard and elsewhere, don't take his work all that seriously. Why do You?

      And nothing triggered me. What a stupid assumption to make.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft NoobDev
      Sure sure whatever

      Please point out excerpt from the memo that you found problematic. Should be easy as you claim you read EVERY word of it. Instead of another snarky nonsensical point that does not take this conversation anywhere, back your claim with examples. It should be within your depth
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      The part where he didn't actually understand the research he cited and much of it actually didn't support his hypothesis. Wikipedia had a list. Surely you can find it.

      Do you get off on being a pedantic asshole?
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft NoobDev
      Name calling. That’s what you resort to. You find the time and energy to do that. But not to post a simple excerpt. Or a list. Anything to help your point.

      “Wikipedia had a list” oy vey
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Snapchat LikLok
    Because on average they are less interested and/or less personality inclined to those careers.

    In the most egalitarian countries (with laws specifically made to address career inhibitors women face), the gender gap in tech is BIGGER not smaller.

    So no, in this case women and men seem to be NOT the same, on average.

    That doesn't mean women are worse engineers and it certainly doesn't justify any sexism.

    It just means it's likely we do have some differences in interests on average though we are mostly the same. And that's ok.
    Dec 12, 20183
    • Microsoft Yuhe83
      My man here repping Dr. Peterson at his finest
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Snapchat LikLok
      I'm not a huge fan of the guy but I checked out the studies, the data is legit
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft Yuhe83
      Ye his facts are on point, gets a lot of hate though because it doesn’t agree with the standard media narrative
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Microsoft scoobers
    oh boy the neckbeards will be flocking to this one to post thoughtful responses for sure
    Dec 12, 20185
    • Snapchat LikLok
      "neckbeard" = person whose argument I am unable to contend with

      I really hate people like you because you truly possess no independent rationality or thought.

      Then again maybe that's why you work at Microsoft.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      LOL no. Neckbeard = person who actually isn't informed about a subject but believes he is. Is so uniformed that he can't realize he lost the argument 30 minutes ago and doesn't understand why everybody is now making fun of him
      Dec 12, 2018
    • PeerStreet
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      Scoobers how many more white knight points do you need before you get a free blowjob?
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Google AASJWWW
      Why would you assume scoobers is male?
      Dec 12, 2018
    • PeerStreet
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      Basic statistics
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Boeing / OpsAirbus
    Same reason as why there are more blacks in basketball
    Dec 12, 20181
    • Microsoft ucSV13
      Oh, you mean, because historically basketball was, (and still is)— a low barrier to entry / low cost inexpensive sport. As opposed to hockey, cricket , tennis???
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Expedia / Cust. Srv.
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    Fewer, FFS. #grammar
    Dec 12, 20182
    • Microsoft Task.run
      OP
      Fixed. Thanks!
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Expedia / Cust. Srv.
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      Dec 12, 2018
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    • Amazon / Mgmt
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      SUCK = Spotify Uber Concur Kroger
      Dec 12, 2018
    • LinkedIn glasscave
      You lost me at Concur
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Amazon leetcode🙃
      Why would anyone want to work at Concur?
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft cnskksna
      Because you need a job after getting PIP and Concur is right there in Bellevue backed by SAP.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Amazon leetcode🙃
      Aim higher msft, satya taught better hasnt he? ;)
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft cnskksna
      Satya was busy making his company valued no. 1 Perhaps you also should aim high to get hired at Microsoft LOL. Pray they don’t test your grammar.
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Microsoft NoobDev
    What is ratio of sexes in tech in more egalitarian society like Norway compared to India.

    That should shed some light on this.

    Childbirth has nothing to do with the ratio in tech. If that was the case we would have all male nurses and elementary teachers as well
    Dec 12, 20185
    • Microsoft cnskksna
      Eastern Europe seems to have many females in tech.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft NoobDev
      “Seems” is not the same as stats. You need to provide some numbers to back that.

      Also you are helping my point in a way. Eastern Europe is a lot more poor and have a lot lower standard of living. Tech becomes a necessity just like an India as a means to a better life
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft Wt.
      Why are more women in fashion, nursing and teaching.... my opinion it comes as natural instinct with over centuries of conditioning
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft Task.run
      OP
      I know plenty of women who have given up on their career/education because they are getting married/having kids. The ones who haven’t try to manage both kids and career, and then the kids end up spending most of the time with nannies or day care staff or teachers with very less bonding happening with parents. Its like a balancing scale. One side tips when you put weight on the other. If you wanna be a good mom, put career aside, if you want strong career, don’t have kids. In a lot countries, men don’t seem to get affected by this, because “it’s the woman’s job to take care of babies”, according to them. I personally know of women who have sacrificed the want to have kids because their career is growing and is very good. So - if there is choice and women are not guilted into living the traditional way of life, women are doing things equally as much as men are. But in places where there is no choice for a woman to have a say or society pressure, women sacrifice what they have for the sake of family kids etc.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft cnskksna
      @Noobdev, I agree tech is a means for better life with a good possibility of going to work in US.
      Dec 12, 2018
  • PeerStreet
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    Because no sane rational woman would spend her time staring at a computer screen when she can marry a high earner to provide for her
    Dec 12, 20182
    • Microsoft Task.run
      OP
      Just because your perspective based on your life experiences with women is inclined to that thinking, doesn’t mean all women want to find rich guys and be dependent on them. Some women are motivated and passionate enough to make their own career and not be dependent on someone else for their care taking.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • PeerStreet
      MJ72ha13

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      Those are outliers, the avg woman doesn’t care to sacrifice her health & social life. Which is why there is a gap.
      Dec 12, 2018
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    hdhhjmore
    May be because tech jobs are less social and exciting? Sitting at desk and staring at computer for long hours is not seen as something they want to do for the rest of the lives and they move to other more social jobs?

    I see many women progress to management roles for the same reason. Also there are many women who go to research jobs. Imo, tech jobs are modern day peasant jobs.
    Dec 12, 20180
  • Amazon jtGV66
    Watch Jordan Peterson for the answer
    Dec 12, 20180
  • Amazon STNF77
    Because of the social stigma (in the affluent West) attached to being a tech nerd. Boys are more socially oblivious so are less affected.
    Dec 12, 20180
  • Microsoft conscience
    Alternatively, if you look at typical adolescent socialization traits, girls are more social than boys. Activities that are seen as antisocial are shunned. As a result, peer pressure from other girls pushes girls away from solitary pursuits. Net result? Less women in tech. (This is the average; behavior lies on a spectrum).

    Want to fix it? Fix that problem in high schools. The easiest way to do that is through gender-segregated schools, which weirdly defuses that mechanism to a degree.
    Dec 12, 20180
  • Microsoft zcqs20
    If you ever had kids in local school (I had, and I have), you already know the answer. Computer science does not exist (scratch coding is not coding) and discouraged (you need to write an essay demonstrating accuracy in Word). Teachers are mostly females (role models, they don't code). CS is considered not cool in general. Ever tried to offer your school to create an extra curriculum programming class? Go ahead, and try.

    Ah, and the question is wrong, in general. Not "why there are less females than males?" But "what is an effort for a female to join and grow in profession vs the same for a male?"
    Dec 13, 20180
  • Microsoft hindi
    @Task.run, You don't have the right to implicitly say there are underqualified women in tech until you learn how Pascal case works
    Dec 12, 20180

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