Over and over, people asked the questions “why do you think there are fewer women in tech”, “what can we do to bring more number of women into the tech industry”.
And I’m like, what you are asking me is not a one line answer I could give and you will probably not like the answer.
The question, in fact, should be “why less women everywhere, in all fields, except home making”
To understand the answer, thought I would share this: https://www.quora.com/If-men-and-women-are-equal-how-did-the-society-become-patriarchal-in-the-first-place-almost-all-around-the-world/answer/Feifei-Wang-6?ch=10&share=9bab9d07&srid=JRYm
PS: not trying to start a gender war. And don’t comment unless you read answer in the link above, not here for ignorant audience.
- Apple / EngMojaveXThere are less women doing construction work but I never see anyone talk about that.
- I have been to India and this picture is a reality . I have seen labor women do all kinds of work there and it was unbelievable on how here in the US we tried on 8 different baby carrier and probably spent over a 1k on baby carriers . I would say a lot of women in India do construction work because it a lot Manual compared to other countries !
- I can’t show you more than one picture on blind. To know the real statistics, you would have to go to India. This scene is very common in India and they usually put their babies in baskets and go on working all day. It’s sad and dangerous, but there are so many things like this happening in third world countries. Not one person or politician can fix it.
- Microsoft / EngИNThe fact that a lot of women in India work in construction field, doesn't prove the rest of the world and other third world countries in particular are like that too (and yes, I've been to some of those). It's sad women have to risk their and their kids' lives working in such conditions, yes. But it doesn't prove that overall ratio is significantly inclined towards them.
- Apple / EngMarijuanaI love the fact that you bring up poor countries like India.
Women can definitely do jobs if they have to put food on the table.
In richer countries (higher minimum wage, food stamps, and other benefits), women have the liberty of choice. And the richer the country, the less likely women are to enter professions like engineering. Many, many different studies show this.
Which is exactly the point that Damore and others made. In the USA and other rich countries, you’re not going to get 50:50 gender representation.
- I read it. EVERY word. Damore's arguments are not well thought out. It's like trying to watch a grown man seriously try to defend the existence of the Easter bunny. Pinker defended his logic, not his processor his conclusion. His conclusion is wrong, which is what you would expect whrn an amateur ventures out of their depth.
- Sure sure whatever
Please point out excerpt from the memo that you found problematic. Should be easy as you claim you read EVERY word of it. Instead of another snarky nonsensical point that does not take this conversation anywhere, back your claim with examples. It should be within your depth
- Because on average they are less interested and/or less personality inclined to those careers.
In the most egalitarian countries (with laws specifically made to address career inhibitors women face), the gender gap in tech is BIGGER not smaller.
So no, in this case women and men seem to be NOT the same, on average.
That doesn't mean women are worse engineers and it certainly doesn't justify any sexism.
It just means it's likely we do have some differences in interests on average though we are mostly the same. And that's ok.
- Microsoft scoobersoh boy the neckbeards will be flocking to this one to post thoughtful responses for sure
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- What is ratio of sexes in tech in more egalitarian society like Norway compared to India.
That should shed some light on this.
Childbirth has nothing to do with the ratio in tech. If that was the case we would have all male nurses and elementary teachers as well
- I know plenty of women who have given up on their career/education because they are getting married/having kids. The ones who haven’t try to manage both kids and career, and then the kids end up spending most of the time with nannies or day care staff or teachers with very less bonding happening with parents. Its like a balancing scale. One side tips when you put weight on the other. If you wanna be a good mom, put career aside, if you want strong career, don’t have kids. In a lot countries, men don’t seem to get affected by this, because “it’s the woman’s job to take care of babies”, according to them. I personally know of women who have sacrificed the want to have kids because their career is growing and is very good. So - if there is choice and women are not guilted into living the traditional way of life, women are doing things equally as much as men are. But in places where there is no choice for a woman to have a say or society pressure, women sacrifice what they have for the sake of family kids etc.
- Because no sane rational woman would spend her time staring at a computer screen when she can marry a high earner to provide for her
- Just because your perspective based on your life experiences with women is inclined to that thinking, doesn’t mean all women want to find rich guys and be dependent on them. Some women are motivated and passionate enough to make their own career and not be dependent on someone else for their care taking.
- Twitter hdhhjmoreMay be because tech jobs are less social and exciting? Sitting at desk and staring at computer for long hours is not seen as something they want to do for the rest of the lives and they move to other more social jobs?
I see many women progress to management roles for the same reason. Also there are many women who go to research jobs. Imo, tech jobs are modern day peasant jobs.
- Microsoft conscienceAlternatively, if you look at typical adolescent socialization traits, girls are more social than boys. Activities that are seen as antisocial are shunned. As a result, peer pressure from other girls pushes girls away from solitary pursuits. Net result? Less women in tech. (This is the average; behavior lies on a spectrum).
Want to fix it? Fix that problem in high schools. The easiest way to do that is through gender-segregated schools, which weirdly defuses that mechanism to a degree.
- Microsoft zcqs20If you ever had kids in local school (I had, and I have), you already know the answer. Computer science does not exist (scratch coding is not coding) and discouraged (you need to write an essay demonstrating accuracy in Word). Teachers are mostly females (role models, they don't code). CS is considered not cool in general. Ever tried to offer your school to create an extra curriculum programming class? Go ahead, and try.
Ah, and the question is wrong, in general. Not "why there are less females than males?" But "what is an effort for a female to join and grow in profession vs the same for a male?"