Why women in tech?

Oracle edsav
Apr 11 84 Comments

I understand that there’s significantly lesser women in tech than men and hence people feel a need to push for it. But why should we have more women in tech? Or any specific group for that matter? I’m not against it, just trying to get a better understanding of the issue. Are there any rational/moral/other reasons to the push?

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  • Dropbox systest
    Because tech has cushy jobs that pay well. Nobody’s pushing for more women in garbage disposal, mining, oil rigs, construction etc
    Apr 11 5
    • Amazon qhUc80
      You don’t see as much media push but there is absolutely a desire by women to be in those jobs. One woman I know was harassed out of her job in construction before she ended up in tech.
      Apr 11
    • Dropbox systest
      Sorry, I shouldn’t have used the superlative word “nobody”. The world is not black and white. Many things are not just binary, but statistical. I still stand by my point in general. Your anecdote is interesting but is nothing but an anecdote.
      Apr 11
    • New / Eng 666 666
      Exactly. Tech is white collar easy office job that pays at least twice the average salary. SJW or whatever promoted the idea under discrimination label and now we have that twisted bs reality.
      Apr 11
    • Microsoft H0Tsauce
      Is there something wrong with financial independence for women? Let's face it. The jobs that are dominated by women (nursing, teaching, daycare caregivers, admin assistants, etc...) Aren't high paying jobs compared to tech. So yes! There should be a push for more women in high paying jobs.
      Apr 12
    • Microsoft H0Tsauce
      There is also a women in construction push and a push for more women civil engineers. So not "nobody"
      Apr 12
    • Bloomberg ug4nfic
      That’s BS
      Apr 11
    • Facebook gEKd54
      Correlation and causation...
      And it's quite separate from the morale arguement
      Apr 11
    • Google SergeyBlin
      If more women meant higher profits, there would be no need for the push.
      Less profitable companies would go out of business by themselves...
      Apr 11
    • Facebook hte668
      If there's research showing it, why is it immediately bs? Because it doesn't fit your worldview?
      Apr 12
    • Amazon NMJO05
      Or maybe we still discriminate against women and that’s why they’re not hired and promoted
      Apr 12
  • Amazon kfsrivd
    The general idea is to have equal number of genders in the workforce. More specifically, equal number of genders in all the occupations. Tech is happen to be one such occupation.
    Apr 11 7
    • Oracle edsav
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      Why?
      Apr 11
    • Oracle / Sales
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      Why not?
      Apr 11
    • Microsoft / Eng apfеl
      Why doesn't this rule apply to all areas of business? I'm truly curious. More male teachers, nail masters, hairdressers, nurses. Its impossible to balance one field without breaking the balance everywhere else. And the main question is of course why?
      Apr 11
    • Bloomberg ug4nfic
      “Why not” is not an answer to “why”.
      Apr 11
    • Amazon qhUc80
      @apfel it does. There is a push to have more male teachers, especially at the elementary level. There is an entire organization dedicated to men in nursing since they are a minority in that field: https://www.aamn.org/
      Apr 11
    • Google SergeyBlin
      More chinese cooks in mexican restaurants and vice versa.
      Apr 11
    • Amazon NMJO05
      SergeyBlin men in tech aren’t like Mexican cooks in a Mexican restaurant....... ffs
      Apr 12
  • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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    Mostly because women were pushed out of tech when it started to be a well paid profession. There are no reasons behind gender inequality except for discrimination.
    So now the push is meant to restore the fairness.
    Apr 11 8
    • Dropbox systest
      Why must I pay reparations for the previous generation of software engineers? I wasn’t even born then, and my family isn’t from the US.
      Apr 11
    • Microsoft .exe
      Why must you reap the rewards of immigrants and politicians who struggled and eventually made your life in the US possible? The world turns and you're merely a speck in time.
      Apr 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Systest, who is asking you to pay reparations?

      And, why do you act like the problem is over? The current generation of software engineers bear responsibility too. It’s not like new hire gender ratios are equal to the gender ratios of the pool of qualified candidates.
      Apr 11
    • This is pure propaganda. There is no such thing as " women being pushed out of tech". Nobody is pushing anyone out. People chose a career they like.
      Apr 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Actually, it is history. The rates of women in tech declined as software programming became a man’s job.
      Apr 12
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      Goodforu, we can back our point with data. Can you back your propaganda point with any data?
      Apr 12
    • Dropbox brbafd
      Being a “programmer” was historically considered a woman’s job, because it was tedious. When it started evolving into a diverse and expansive profession (with $ potential), then it was rebranded as a mans job.
      Apr 12
    • Amazon CwVP04
      @goodforu "There is no such thing as " women being pushed out of tech". "
      Are you fucking kidding me?? Women are pushed out of tech before they even become women!!! We have been actively discouraged by society to work in STEM subjects. The best day to be a woman is always tomorrow.
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    • Microsoft H0Tsauce
      Bull shit ideology. no one is forcing women into tech to push a political agenda. The truth is opportunities are not equal. Period.
      Apr 11
    • New Dsdt06
      Putting “Period” at the end of a statement with 0 hard evidence doesn’t make something true.
      Apr 12
    • Microsoft H0Tsauce
      If you have nothing to add then STFU
      Apr 12
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      You really are brainwashed. Tech jobs are the best paid jobs in the country now. It’s much better reason than political agenda
      Apr 12
    • Facebook hte668
      How are women in tech profiting from this push? All those diversity stuff is pr. It ends at recruiting. Most of it is just to make companies look good. Compared to the sexism women experience, it hardly makes a dent.
      Apr 12
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      Apparently, we’re enjoying some secret benefits. And probably doing it for too long, so guys are pissed already
      Apr 12
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      Like they now forbid our coworkers to call us b-word and w-word (blind filter those words) and comment our bra size. It’s a huge perk, don’t you understand? Guys don’t have anything like that. Nobody is forcing females around them to stop comparing their intimates. Poor kids...
      Apr 12
  • Facebook lolwutm8
    Because if half your users have no representative voice in your company you'll lose to the company that actually knows what they want by employing people that know x or y group from a first hand basis. Tech in particular is focused on because the western world really needs to wake up and push more people to at least try out stem. We don't need more construction workers, electricians, or anything else that'll get replaced by robots anyways so no one focuses on that. Tech will consume or be involved in every possible aspect of people's lives. We don't know what blindspots we have and thinking you can achieve diversity of thought by only hiring x or y group is very naive.

    You can either accept diversity leads to better products or that there's a worldwide conspiracy between billionaires and academics to throw away money and make their companies weaker in order to, idk, virtue signal?
    Apr 11 0
  • Microsoft FootVotes
    Just have intelligent human beings in tech, and have a mechanism that mathematically and correctly hires intelligent folks. Don’t give a fuck about gender/race/religion.

    Stop using leetcode as the only metric and reintroduce IQ questions.
    Apr 11 2
    • Morgan Stanley tfti
      Are you seriously advocating for those bullshit IQ questions? Those were even worse than leetcode
      Apr 11
    • Twitter iLCforFun
      If u can pass the google bar w/o leetcoding congrats, you were born smarter than the average human. If u can pass the google bar w/ leetcoding, congrats, you work harder and are probably smarter than the average msft employee.
      Apr 11
  • Microsoft H0Tsauce
    Also you can't say your product is for a diverse group of people if there is no one that looks like your target audience developing the product.
    Apr 11 6
    • Google SergeyBlin
      How do plumbers manage to serve the diverse group of people?
      Apr 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      They don’t. Hence the long lines for women’s restrooms. And toilets that clog on tampons.
      Apr 11
    • Google SergeyBlin
      Fair enough
      Apr 11
    • Amazon gd47vf
      Well you can't flush condoms, so I guess plumbers are not men either. You can't flush dead cow either.

      By the way, search on blind and see how many men complain about long lines at men's room after lunch time. With your logic, plumbers don't go to restroom after lunch.
      Apr 11
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      1) Not all men have sex, and not all of them use condoms when they have sex, so I guess plumbers are focused on family men with a wife on birth control.
      2) still those lines are way shorter because men’s bathrooms have separate areas for urinating and shitting
      Apr 12
    • Amazon CwVP04
      Condoms are not a necessary bathroom product. You only use a condom if you're having sex and you *choose* to use it. Tampons are a necessity -- none of us choose to have a period. IMO they should be as common as toilet paper in ALL restrooms.
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  • Facebook public2
    Because it leads to better business outcomes.
    Apr 11 3
    • New / Eng 666 666
      First it adds drama. Some may like, no doubt. That business outcome claim is impossible to quantify.
      Apr 11
    • Amazon shutuuup
      Drama is a case by case basis it is not determined by gender
      Apr 11
    • New / Eng 666 666
      Males contribute arrogance and stupidity and women bring drama.
      I personally think women neither add nor reduce business value. Line workers are replaceable and their outcome is gender independent in most cases.
      Apr 11
  • Amazon Biggles
    Women have different life experiences and concerns. When you’re building a product that people use, having a broad range of people helps you avoid critical mistakes. Your product manager is probably only one gender and race.

    I don’t think there’s a unique feminine perspective to database optimization or something, but end user stuff, absolutely.

    It also cuts down on the brogrammer culture, and the “I’m awesome because I worked 80 hours this week, and I’m stronger for it” nonsense.
    Apr 11 1
    • Amazon CwVP04
      Actually I find databases that were built by women and code that was written by women to distinctly better than their male counterparts. They are socialized from a very early age to be neat and organized and thorough. I can actually tell (with almost perfect accuracy) if code was written by a male or female, because we have been socialized very differently. Similar to how women, on average, have neater hand writing. They produce cleaner, more efficient work.
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  • Oracle / Eng wpooh
    Why men in tech?
    Apr 11 6
    • Amazon kfsrivd
      Because more males went to tech colleges. While more females like to go to law, business, and other colleges.
      Apr 12
    • Oracle / Eng wpooh
      Did i say more men? Question is why women in tech. So as per your logic women in STEM ended up working in tech
      Apr 12
    • Amazon kfsrivd
      Apr 12
    • Amazon kfsrivd
      Also, for "majority" of people (men/ women), their occupation is directly relevant to their last school degree in any industry. Males happen to be studying tech in more numbers compared to females. There are cases where degree had no relevance, such people start small and/ or start late into a different career. STEM is a wide category, and tech is a part of this wide category.
      Apr 12
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      Apr 12
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      Overall the trend is that women outnumbered men in colleges already and, and it’s not changing. In 2026 there will be almost 1.5M women more in colleges. So it makes sense big tech wants be attractive for them when they graduate.
      Apr 12
  • Amazon gd47vf
    Only because tech is paying more right now. Have you seen a lot of push for getting more women in construction sites? How about sanitation department? Electrician?
    Apr 11 0
  • Amazon shutuuup
    Would you still be asking why if tech was a female dominated industry that you wanted to be a part of and had the skills for yet had to face discrimination trying to get in? Diversity doesn't just mean race, ethnicity, gender, etc. What companies need is diversity in thought. If you have too much of the same thing, there aren't as many new ideas, approaches to problem solving, innovations etc. as there could be if you were to have a more diverse group.
    Apr 11 0
  • BlackRock xis
    Women are 46% of labor force in US by official DoL stats. They do a periodic survey and classify where men and women are employed. There is no breakdown by college degree or stem/ humanity fields.
    The general observation shows that men form a higher percentage (>75) of high (health and life) risk jobs - chemical handling, trucking, construction etc. Women are a higher percentage in administrative and support desk jobs and jobs that require higher EQ. Most other jobs are quite evenly distributed. Now its not manifest if all the truckers have stem degrees or all the elementary school teachers have PhDs.
    Tech being present day white collar job with low lifestyle risk (lower than handling radioactive material) is aspirational.

    There are diversity and other considerations.
    But there are also 2 fairness reasons given for promoting women in tech:
    1. women are a lower percentage part of the workforce in tech than they are part of the college grads in stem
    2. There is discrimination in hiring and promotion.

    There is not enough data to support above claims nor against it. However its a progressive value to be aspirational of the job of the future. So the idea is motivate more ‘girls who code’ than ‘girls who knit’.
    Its okay as long as you don’t have irrational biases in hiring and promotion.
    Apr 14 5
    • New / Eng AnbH81
      All “girls who code” initiative are irrational by default. Studies show that men, particularly white men, have a strong pro-female bias in STEM fields; it’s not the opposite way around.

      Secondly, diversity for the sake of it is nonsensical. There’s nothing “progressive” about accepting an irrational dogma.
      Apr 14
    • BlackRock xis
      tldr; don’t have biases in hiring and promotion.
      Apr 14
    • New / Eng AnbH81
      A blind recruitment trial to boost gender equality in Australia (the trail removed the names and gender of candidates) actually decreased the amount of women hired, not increased. If the strong pro-female bias in STEM were removed, a lot less women would be hired, not more.
      Apr 14
    • BlackRock xis
      If it goes that way it’s justified. Inspiration can only do so much sometimes.
      Apr 14
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      Why diversity for the sake of diversity is nonsensical?
      Apr 15
  • New / Eng AnbH81
    Equality for the sake of equality makes no sense.
    Apr 12 1
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      Why not?
      Apr 12
  • Uber kGThK15
    a female's perspective in general just differs from that of a man, on so many levels based off social conditioning. their perspective challenges me as a man to think differently, hence I tend to grow and learn from those interactions more than with male interactions. making generalizations here but I know I'd want to work with both male and female regardless of industry
    Apr 12 1
    • Sizmek
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      I’ll think about it.
      prwriemore
      Exactly. Diversity allows for different perspectives and ideas to flourish. That encourages innovation.
      Apr 13
  • Salesforce notblind42
    I think the main reason is to encourage women to get out of their ‘traditional’ occupations and to join more attractive industries so that they feel empowered and financially independent.(If you ask why they should be empowered and financially independent, then that’s a different discussion topic.) Of course it is good to have diversity in the workplace but there is no diversity in construction business and no one is trying to promote hiring female construction workers, or car washer or idk any other occupation that isnt necessarily that ‘attractive’. The main goal is to get a group of gender/race/ethnicity out of their comfort zone and to promote them higher up in the society.
    Apr 11 1
    • New / Eng 666 666
      Folks report that 'propositions higher up' are based on gender quotas.
      Apr 11
  • Nokia / Eng yappaa
    Money, that's it. It's plain and simple, there are more male students in Computer science than female, which leads to having more men in tech than women. I don't get the idea of reservation or pushing more women into it. The ratio of cs students (based on sex) to people in tech should be the about the same.
    Apr 11 0
  • Apple woodo
    It is politics. Politicians staring the hype to get more electorate. And of course follow the money. I bet there is huge underrepresentation of women in construction, aerospace and defence, but nobody gives a f***.
    Apr 11 0
  • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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    Another important thing is that with current talent shortage in tech there purely not enough white straight men to fill in vacancies. Moreover, if you remove all women we have in tech now there won’t be enough men to replace them with in the States unless you are ok with opening the gate to unlimited immigration.
    Also, there are more women students in tech eduction now than it is men. So large companies are preparing for the war for talent in 7-10 years from now when there will be much more women candidates and they will be choosing.
    And the last thing is that women are better customers, they spend more and they usually manage family budget, so companies need to understand them in order to customize their products.
    Apr 12 4
  • Proofpoint / Eng eTCK01
    Good question. I've done deep research into this when at University and continue updating my understanding in the tech work force but by no means consider myself an expert. Just well informed.
    One good way to look at why there's a general push for women in tech is that more smart people working in tech means better tech. Plain and simple.
    By this token, tech culture traditionally strives to be inclusive and diverse in order to attract smart people of many different identities and backgrounds.
    This is not universally the case.
    One obvious discrepancy with how tech culture presents itself is that for some reason(s) there still aren't a lot of women in tech! Many people leave it at this citing women have the same opportunities as men so it's their own fault for not getting into the tech world as developers/engineers/managers/etc. In it and of itself tech companies saying they're inclusive and diverse but not actually being either isn't an actionable problem beyond calling out their diversity stats not aligning with their claim to being an inclusive and diverse community.

    So what actually makes this a moral/rational problem with actionable solutions? I won't touch on the differences between how males and females are raised and treated in society because that's a big ol can of turtles all the way down but I'm aware of several cases where some subset of tech community members are essentially ruining the claim to inclusiveness.
    We all know it's important to act professional in the work place but some people don't. Yes we are all technically adults and should be able to handle non-PC comments but there is a large volume of completely socially naive people that enter the tech community every year and they are probably the most vulnerable to being offended. There's huge strife within the tech community about whether people should tough out the occasional non-PC comment or whether there should be a no tolerance policy for it. I don't have an answer for this but frankly if you're trying to be inclusive you should not ever defend racism, using the R word, gender discrimination, etc in your workplace. Doing so is anti inclusion and keeps individuals, including women, from pursuing tech. That's one case.
    One of the worst cases I can think of is how sexual assault and predators are handled in some tech communities *glaring at the ML academic and Scala communities*. Given the small fraction of women in tech communities it's easy to fall victim to cognitive bias that sexual relations are one off examples with no underlying problem. Consider how many of these community members have been present for years in the community, they recognize all the faces, and immediately notice the new ones. I've heard and read all too often from newcomer and returning women's personal experiences at conferences about men inappropriately touching and speaking to them in public and in private. It's always an older and well established community figure reaching out and manipulating the naive and more vulnerable which I find most disturbing. PLEASE look into sexual assault allegations within the ML academic community. It's atrocious and absolutely not fostering an inclusive community.
    Disclaimer, these bad individuals don't fully represent the community but they usually lead priceless research and maintain priceless connections for funding and networking so they can still hurt the community by being ejected for their actions. It's a hard situation for committees and advisory boards to deal with.
    In sum, I think the problems that the tech community faces with respect to inclusiveness well define much of why there are less women in tech than men. If we had more inclusive policy and culture I think more women would enter the community. I think above all, more equality in tech is just something a growing community needs to face directly.
    PM me or reply for clarification. I quickly hammered out this stream of consciousness.
    Apr 11 0
  • Microsoft H0Tsauce
    Let's start with centuries of "these X jobs are only for men...and these Y jobs are for women" bias against one gender over another has been pushed for ages. Children are conditioned at a young age to only think in binary terms blue is the color for boys and pink is the color for girls. When it come to gender equality and diversity we have to push agendas like Women in Tech.
    Apr 11 0
  • OpenDoor RCkl47
    We should push for more women in jails too since the demographic in jails are disproportionately male. I guess the criminal justice system is overtly sexist #sjwthinking
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