Is it just me or is it way harder to find a job as a woman?
I see my female friends having a difficult time trying to find a job vs men finding it quickly and easily and always with better pay.
I’m not interviewing at fang companies mostly small startups or tech incubators for business roles
The inequality is real
Is it just me or is it way harder to find a job as a woman?
- Intel, I didn’t not try to play gay card. I used it as an example of how slowly bias changes even after legislation changes. I just saw an article in newspaper about firing pregnant women in Amazon. My gay friend was fired two months ago from a reputable company in D.C. because his boss was uncomfortable about it. They paid him, of course to avoid lawsuit, but it doesn’t change the fact.
Bias is still there, and it’s still there against gays, against women in traditionally men’s professions, against African Americans, against men in traditionally women’s professions.
The thing is Intel went a long way to be progressive place to work. Transgender policies working in Intel are a dream for most transgender people in the country.
And you’re judging what is going on in the country sitting in an ebony tower.
- I don't think it's right to include gays and transgender s in this discussion as it we're the same issue. I. Believe in equality and that is for all human beings . Be it woman or transgender etc. But I also believe in fairness that means if a person is talented and deserves a job or role he she should get it not someone who is second to that person but fits some kind of quota for a diversity metrics. Yes maybe being at Intel may make me a wrong person to talk about such issues. Let me give you an example. In India we have reservations for certain tribes which was initially intended to uplift the society but currently that same reservation is used by well to do families and folks who are not in that category suffer and are made to pursue their dreams abroad. Not a direct relation to the topic but something analogous.May 70
- I think you forget about equity. You can’t really think that opportunities are equally open for everyone when everyone had different starting points, and different level of support in the environment.
If you compare two equally talented engineers graduated from Harvard and Indian Institute of Technology, American interviewer will always have bias towards Harvard graduate. And it would be nothing meritocratic about it, it would be just “well, he graduated from Harvard, it must be something about him...”.
And that would be equal opportunity for both, but still lack of equity. I am not sure if that could be considered fair.
- PayPal x ploy tedGiven all the diversity initiatives it is way easier to find a job as a woman. Amazon and Google will hire you and you probably don’t have to interview.
- Are you applying for following job positions?
Because yes unfortunately inequality is real out there -
Heavy vehicle operations
- I thought tech companies give preference to females which should make it easier.
- Maybe. Expedia jobs desciptions, for example, go through a word salad tosser until it becomes female friendly. Rejecting a female candidate in a loop requires some explaining and clear justification in my experience as well. These observations do not mean that every female gets the job but the path to success is well lubricated.May 53
- Men, on average will apply to jobs they are just over 60% qualified for whereas women tend to only apply when they feel they are at least 90% qualified. So first, they apply less for the same jobs as men starting them off at a disadvantage—both in terms of number of opportunities and interview practice. Second, and probably more importantly, if you’re of “child bearing age” (which is basically anything other than right out of college and up to 2-3 years post) there is more scrutiny meaning a higher bar to pass bc a woman is more risk.
That said, I’m a woman and I’ve never been out of work for more than 4 weeks. But I’m basically “always interviewing” so I’ve never been caught off guard starting a job hunt from scratch
- @aye Dias that can’t be true. Not at Facebook but at other companies. I’ve been in so many debriefes where they tell me to lower the hiring bar just because it’s a woman. They say it doesn’t matter if she didn’t pass the coding interview. They also hold spots open just for women on teams. No one has ever told me to lower the bar for a man, or that a position is only available if the candidate is a man. Even minority men don’t get the chance, it’s just women.
- Are you a woman with skills or just a woman? Stop blaming inequality and show what you are worth in the interviews. Self pity won’t get you far.
You can do it! Keep at it
- I’d believe women have a harder time finding jobs in male-majority fields (on average). People tend to refer people like themselves, making it harder for women to break in sometimes.
- Microsoft SGgY28I regularly takes interview. We do in panel of 4. 4 rounds. Right... We always choose B women over A men. Why? Well if I hire women it's bonus on my year end hike. It's +ve increase in % of women in tech job for company. Group manager gets A on inclusive culture. Every one is happy.
- Keep in mind that you would need job specific skills and some education to qualify for a job. Being a woman does not give you a job, if that is what you expected.
- Microsoft YuGiOhIt's obviously from the post that is not what the op is talking about. There have been plenty of studies that show women tend to apply for jobs only when they fulfill 90%+ of the requirements vs men who tend to apply when they fulfill 50%+.
This clearly speaks to how women DO NOT expect to be handed jobs just because they're women.May 57
- New Dorky9When i was at Microsoft they would go out of the way, every single time to hire, keep and retain women. Hire Managers had a metric for how many women thy had on their teams. PIPing them for performance was impossible
- Yea, echoing what some comments above were saying. I was under the impression that, all things equal, the woman will get the job over the man due to "diversity points"
- @gfba68 could you elaborate please? It appears you feel strongly about this topic judging by your replies to a number of the other comments. However, most of your comments simply deny without a concrete reason or default to questioning the gender identity of the claimer, which doesn't make for a compelling case. It also seems like the view I presented is held by the majority.
Not looking to argue about who's right or wrong. Just curious to hear out your side in more detail.
- Companies are hungry for diversity candidates. Women with skills should have no issues getting hired in the current market and should negotiate the comp accordingly.
- StubHub FreeMasonsJob search is strenuous process, don’t tell me you getting rejects from 3 or so companies and saying job search is hard for women
- New / EngskapemoreA ton more info is needed. What's her role? Skill set? Years of experience? Is she networking? Part of an online community to support women, etc? Maybe it's still easier for men to find jobs, but there are so many communities and programs now, to help women. Their members usually get hired faster and find tons of new opportunities. From my experience most companies will prefer to hire a woman over a guy given similar skills and experience to get that diversity badge
- Listened to a female brag about her all-female team and stress she only hires women. Somehow in the same breath she managed to claim that diversity in engineering teams makes them great!... as long as that diversity doesn’t include men lol 🤷♂️😂