Google Engineer - Total Compensation in US - Ultimate Post

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Mar 17, 2018 212 Comments

I see a lot of misleading info on Blind with extremely exaggerated compensation ranges.

Let’s shed some light on the topic with real data points based on random Google engineer responses across the US. The number of respondents is about 2% of the company.

Format is the following:
Level
1% - 10% - 25% - 50% - 75% - 90% - 99%

I.e., the lowest 1%, the lowest 10%, 25 percentile, the median and so on. E.g., for L3 half of the engineers make less than $200k per year, etc.

L3

120 - 125 - 150 - 200 - 220 - 225 - 250

L4

200 - 225 - 240 - 260 - 280 - 300 - 330

L5

250 - 285 - 315 - 330 - 365 - 390 - 450

L6

375 - 400 - 425 - 450 - 480 - 550 - 575

L7

550 - 575 - 625 - 675 - 725 - 750 - 800

Good luck with negotiations :)

PS. Would be great if someone from Facebook compiled the same data based on your internal comp discussion.

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TOP 212 Comments
  • Cadence Neymar
    I think in blind most of the TC packages come from the Bay Area. That’s why the numbers are so high.
    Mar 17, 2018 7
    • Facebook Mbfdjb
      FB numbers are similar with two differences:
      - the base salary is slightly higher at FB due to higher lower bound for most levels.
      - FB stock has appreciated much more than Google in the last 5-10 years. As such, peoples comp is ~20% higher at FB though refresher amounts are similar.
      Apr 13, 2018
    • Facebook Lolololo
      ^ this is true
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Google nMpd41
      ^This does not include stock appreciation.
      Apr 30, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      The numbers you see are pretty fresh. So they include all appreciation you could dream of.
      Apr 30, 2018
    • Google nMpd41
      What I mean is the spreadsheet's TC column just adds base + bonus + last grant in $. So if the stock appreciates by x% each year even if you get same TC each year for next 4 years, your actual cash flow will be up.
      Apr 30, 2018
  • Google / Eng Salien7
    L5 is spot on. I’m only making 330TC, NYC. Could be more, but meh. I’m happy. Nice work OP.
    Mar 17, 2018 7
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      @Salien7, the 155 RSU is just the RSUs / 4 in your offer letter? How is the yearly stock refresher?

      Cash bonus is roughly 15% of base, not too much variance I believe.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Maxim Integrated / Eng ++TC
      @Salien7, 175k base + 155k RSU/4 makes about 213k per year.

      Where does 117k comes from?
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      You're missing a brain
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Maxim Integrated / Eng ++TC
      Brazuka, What kind of a person you are, you moron.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • DocuSign sJCx25
      I believe he meant 155/year, not over 4 years
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Apple a1z2x3c4
    Thanks for the details; a couple of follow up questions. Going by the numbers, more than 50% of L5 gets less than 350K (75% gets less than 365K) and very few L4’s (10%) get above 300K. Am I interpreting the numbers correctly? My hunch was most L5 will get 350-400K and L4’s will get close to 300K (if not more) based on different threads in Blind.
    Mar 17, 2018 4
    • Yahoo / Product Truth
      Blind posts skew higher due to tendency to brag post and some people lying
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      Why so negative? Maybe the blind community is better informed than other candidates in terms of comp, hence usually does a better job at comp negotiation.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Yahoo / Product Truth
      That may be the case indeed, but I tend to believe annonymity, on average, generates these type of incentives.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      That’s correct @a1z2x3c4
      Only top 25% of L5 get over 365, and only top 10% of L4 get over 300.
      The Blind effect makes people think that’s just an average comp, where in fact it’s far from reality.
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Amazon ITaudit
    A lot of numbers are fueled by grants from 1-2 years ago, many people are overpaid and out of range at Google, Amazon etc. definitely Amazon, I was supposed to get 248k when I accepted the offer, with stock growth I’m getting more like 365k this year. Really amazon didn’t intend to pay me this much, and I’ll cliff out when the original grant ends. I can imagine how some people don’t want to believe the numbers, you’re right but it’s all fueled by stock growth and companies like Intel lose out cause your stock doesn’t grow as much.
    Mar 18, 2018 1
    • Amazon Amazoon
      50k of AMZN RSUs granted back in 2015 are worth over 200k now. I would be surprised if other companies try to match Amazon’s total comp. Any SDEs from Amazon gotten any offers recently?
      Mar 22, 2018
  • Intel Prole
    I think people on Blind should start posting pics of their W2s without identifying information. And fuzz out the last three digits so HR can't identify you by your pay. I'm not sure I believe some of the numbers I hear.

    I think this would be a huge benefit to the tech community if people did this because then we would have more reliable data points to go off of and would negotiate more confidently.
    Mar 18, 2018 5
    • Intel Prole
      Up to you.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • HealthNow / Eng Plateaux
      Sounds great, you first 😉
      Mar 25, 2018
    • Google HateThGame
      The numbers in this post seem reasonable though right?
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Lyft crossfire
      Yeah let's start with yours.
      Oct 9, 2018
    • Xilinx kQvK72
      Now with deepfakes, even these photos can be bogus.
      Feb 27
  • Google BoOG34
    Hmm, I thought I got a decent offer with 116 base, 135k stock, 50 signing, for new grad but that seems kind of low now... is that L3 actually accurate?
    Mar 17, 2018 5
    • Google BoOG34
      **Low considering my recruiter explicitly told me that I crushed my interviews
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Given people with <4 years of experience are also automatically stacked to L3, I’m not sure if new grads should necessarily be given over the median compensation. Depends on competing offers, of course.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google BoOG34
      Ah makes sense, I naively equated new grads with L3
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualtrics 😎Poo
      You can't be L4 with less than 4 years? Even if you're l4 at another company after 2 and you're interviewing with Google?
      May 13, 2018
    • Google / Eng mrwG74
      I got hired at L4 with 2 years of exp
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Amazon Vdtjcs
    What are the RSU grant period this is based on? Hiring or refreshers? It’s definitely interesting (and confirming) that the google L5 comp roughly matches up with what you would expect to earn at amazon L6 while the tip of range google L6 actually seems slight lower than the amazon L7 top range ignoring stock growth. On top of that the bay vs Seattle CoL.
    Mar 17, 2018 9
    • Amazon Vdtjcs
      Sorry always forget which does the E levels. From what I’ve seen though is the general consensus is amazon is G or FB + 1. I’m sure there’s some differences but I have no idea where to place them in relation.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Facebook paxel
      Fb and G levels are fairly equivalent. I think its "easier" to get in as E5 compared to L5, but the role is very identical. G is stingy when it comes to leveling new hires.

      FB fires aggressively whereas G doesnt fire. I was L5 at Google and joined FB as E5, and currently E6.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google / Eng pov
      How's E6 salary at FB ? Also is scope of E6 same as L6 ?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Facebook paxel
      Higher end of E6 is def. higher than L6. Scope is similar. Easier to get promo at FB and easier to get fired too.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google / Eng pov
      Thanks! So is 650-700k for E6 possible at FB (new hire) ?
      Mar 18, 2018
  • LinkedIn Ybevis
    I know some people far exceed the 99% number
    Mar 28, 2018 5
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      For which level? How do you know what’s their comp?
      Mar 28, 2018
    • LinkedIn Ybevis
      L3 280k. L4 380k. They are my friends
      Mar 28, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Any insight on how they scored that? How many yoe?
      Mar 29, 2018
    • LinkedIn Ybevis
      Bidding offers. Stock refresh
      Mar 29, 2018
    • Amazon Xoogler101
      Stock appreciation also ?
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Applied Material fuball
    Hey OP, any idea what’s the number of years of experience for reaching these levels ? What would a phd with 5 years be, on an average.. L5/L6?
    May 13, 2018 8
    • Facebook / Eng AllAboutTh
      It depends where that 5 years experience is (eg internal promo?). G/FB discount experience that is not from top companies.
      May 14, 2018
    • Google Uvor31
      PhD doesn't count for very much extra, unless it's in very specific fields (eg ML) AND you're going to a team that wants that field. 5y doing PhD studu definitely isn't equated to 5y industry
      Dec 12, 2018
    • New / Eng
      31415926

      New Eng

      PRE
      startups
      BIO
      Self educated developer, been doing it 30 years. Worked at big and small. Started a few.
      31415926more
      Interesting. I came in at L7 SWE.
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Amazon lKs29c
      What your field and why do they hire you at L7?
      Jan 11
    • Google poDV10
      How did ramping up with the team go when coming in from outside? How many Yoe?
      Jul 7
  • Microsoft AIsO62
    So this excluding signing bonus and refreshers, right?
    Mar 17, 2018 7
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Yes
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      So target cash bonus is included in your numbers, e.g. 15% of base for L3 to L5?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Yes
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng Leo Messi
      Assume this is comp with current stock price (vs grant time) ?
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      The numbers assume the stock price of around last Dec-Jan.
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Google Vcwho
    The 99% seems low. I made 400k+ in past two years as L4 and L5. Will be 500k+ this year. 400k+ next year as the initial GSU is out.
    Apr 26, 2018 5
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      What was your initial offer back then?
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google Vcwho
      Around 290k excludes signon and refresh.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      I guess that was the top 1% of L4 those days. I also joined a few years back having a competing offer from FB, and the max they could do was 250k + 25 sign on after a round of bidding wars.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google Vcwho
      I had a F offer too. Another friend joined as L4 last year and offered ~350k at that time.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Apple bbbui
      Breakdown for that L4?
      Aug 13
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    • Google Facebook
      OP
      I know one L6 who’s been 10 years at the company, and with all refreshes and stock appreciation this year he’s expecting 550
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google / Ops Huhf13
      650 is a true outlier for L6
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng E12
    Can you report these numbers for Bay Area only? Could be all blind users reporting are Bay Area.
    Mar 17, 2018 2
    • Hulu ywPn24
      I agree, I think these numbers should be COL adjusted. OP, is this for all of Google or only for Bay Area Google?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      That’s across the US, but Bay Area leads in response number, of course.
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Indeed / Eng uvfdx5efdy
      What is this
      Jan 31
    • Bank of America Ruy-Lopez
      Weird... on a platform like blind someone post personal pic...
      Jan 31
    • Amazon / Eng
      RonHubbard

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Slightly above average with 6 inches.
      RonHubbardmore
      This better be a selfie. If it's someone else's pic the poster is violating several privacy laws. Flagging.
      Jan 31
    • Amazon / Eng
      RonHubbard

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Slightly above average with 6 inches.
      RonHubbardmore
      I've flagged this for invasion of privacy, which it is most likely.
      Jan 31
    • Indeed / Eng uvfdx5efdy
      Flagged as well
      Feb 1
  • Google Baal
    Hey OP, is this with RSUs at vest or grant value?
    May 2, 2018 5
    • Google nMpd41
      Grant value but as I said above it is a sum of base + bonus + grant this year. So a person will be making this much total comp only if that person has been getting the same grant in past 3 years (assuming no appreciation)
      May 2, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      The data reflects how much an engineer earns per year. The majority of respondents weren’t hired in 2018, so they declared what they made for 2017.

      Simply put, TC = your current salary (last salary bump was in Nov) + the bonus you got this Jan for the last year + overall dollar amount of the stock you got vested last year (including a part of the initial grant if applicable and all overlapping refreshes).
      May 2, 2018
    • Google nMpd41
      To OP: What you are saying is not right. In the current spreadsheet the TC column is simply sum of Base + Bonus + Last grant. It is not the amount of stock that is vesting.
      May 2, 2018
    • Amazon Benny Lava
      I think only Amazon scam people with vest time value for TC calculation.
      May 13, 2018
    • Google R Kelley
      I think @nMpd41 may be right in that the spreadsheet is base + bonus + last grant (4yr grant used as 1yr TC with the assumption that it’ll stack 4 times)
      May 19, 2018
  • Facebook paxel
    Looks very similar to FB until E6.
    Mar 18, 2018 2
    • Google / Eng pov
      How's E6 for FB ? Higher or lower ?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google rniklas
      Curious about this. Higher or lower?
      Apr 25, 2018
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    • Google / Eng Alpha Zero
      POV seems a little douchey.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Amazon Accolade
      What is go/paycomparison?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Microsoft Linkedin
      I imagine even if this data came from you internal spreadsheet it must be times more accurate than those random crazy numbers people post on Blind
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      The thing is, you can never get an "official and accurate" data on comp. If there is one, the company would totally loose its negotiation power.

      Every data point on blind, or other places like Glassdoor, paysa, are just unofficial data point to let you better informed in the negotiation process.

      People do this in a good faith manner. There is NO way to ever verify it. And no one owns you anything, that if he/she posts some data point here, he/she has to provide proof his/her data are authentic.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Amazon Accolade
      POV thanks for letting me know.
      Mar 19, 2018
  • Google xvC27s
    Numbers look accurate, L6 400k TC here, recently promoted
    Dec 12, 2018 0
  • Yay someone necromanced this thread.
    Dec 12, 2018 3
    • Google alumnius
      Blind rated it as a top post of 2018
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Ah yeah and the Amazon recruiter AMA thread
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Google poDV10
      Please post the link to Amazon recruiter AMA thread.
      Jul 7
  • What is the average years of experience for for E4, E5, and E6.
    Mar 18, 2018 0