Google Engineer - Total Compensation in US - Ultimate Post

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Mar 17, 2018 199 Comments

I see a lot of misleading info on Blind with extremely exaggerated compensation ranges.

Let’s shed some light on the topic with real data points based on random Google engineer responses across the US. The number of respondents is about 2% of the company.

Format is the following:
Level
1% - 10% - 25% - 50% - 75% - 90% - 99%

I.e., the lowest 1%, the lowest 10%, 25 percentile, the median and so on. E.g., for L3 half of the engineers make less than $200k per year, etc.

L3

120 - 125 - 150 - 200 - 220 - 225 - 250

L4

200 - 225 - 240 - 260 - 280 - 300 - 330

L5

250 - 285 - 315 - 330 - 365 - 390 - 450

L6

375 - 400 - 425 - 450 - 480 - 550 - 575

L7

550 - 575 - 625 - 675 - 725 - 750 - 800

Good luck with negotiations :)

PS. Would be great if someone from Facebook compiled the same data based on your internal comp discussion.

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  • Cadence Neymar
    I think in blind most of the TC packages come from the Bay Area. That’s why the numbers are so high.
    Mar 17, 2018 7
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      But there’re still much more responses from MTV folks
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Nvidia / Other npoop
      Mountain View is bay area
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Facebook Mbfdjb
      FB numbers are similar with two differences:
      - the base salary is slightly higher at FB due to higher lower bound for most levels.
      - FB stock has appreciated much more than Google in the last 5-10 years. As such, peoples comp is ~20% higher at FB though refresher amounts are similar.
      Apr 13, 2018
    • Facebook Lolololo
      ^ this is true
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Google nMpd41
      ^This does not include stock appreciation.
      Apr 30, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      The numbers you see are pretty fresh. So they include all appreciation you could dream of.
      Apr 30, 2018
    • Google nMpd41
      What I mean is the spreadsheet's TC column just adds base + bonus + last grant in $. So if the stock appreciates by x% each year even if you get same TC each year for next 4 years, your actual cash flow will be up.
      Apr 30, 2018
  • Google / Eng Salien7
    L5 is spot on. I’m only making 330TC, NYC. Could be more, but meh. I’m happy. Nice work OP.
    Mar 17, 2018 7
    • Microsoft AIsO62
      Could you provide the breakdown 330TC? What does it include?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google / Eng Salien7
      175k base
      155k RSU

      I didn’t include any bonus whatsoever.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      @Salien7, the 155 RSU is just the RSUs / 4 in your offer letter? How is the yearly stock refresher?

      Cash bonus is roughly 15% of base, not too much variance I believe.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Maxim Integrated / Eng ++TC
      @Salien7, 175k base + 155k RSU/4 makes about 213k per year.

      Where does 117k comes from?
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      You're missing a brain
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Maxim Integrated / Eng ++TC
      Brazuka, What kind of a person you are, you moron.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • DocuSign sJCx25
      I believe he meant 155/year, not over 4 years
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Apple a1z2x3c4
    Thanks for the details; a couple of follow up questions. Going by the numbers, more than 50% of L5 gets less than 350K (75% gets less than 365K) and very few L4’s (10%) get above 300K. Am I interpreting the numbers correctly? My hunch was most L5 will get 350-400K and L4’s will get close to 300K (if not more) based on different threads in Blind.
    Mar 17, 2018 4
    • Yahoo / Product Truth
      Blind posts skew higher due to tendency to brag post and some people lying
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      Why so negative? Maybe the blind community is better informed than other candidates in terms of comp, hence usually does a better job at comp negotiation.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Yahoo / Product Truth
      That may be the case indeed, but I tend to believe annonymity, on average, generates these type of incentives.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      That’s correct @a1z2x3c4
      Only top 25% of L5 get over 365, and only top 10% of L4 get over 300.
      The Blind effect makes people think that’s just an average comp, where in fact it’s far from reality.
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Amazon ITaudit
    A lot of numbers are fueled by grants from 1-2 years ago, many people are overpaid and out of range at Google, Amazon etc. definitely Amazon, I was supposed to get 248k when I accepted the offer, with stock growth I’m getting more like 365k this year. Really amazon didn’t intend to pay me this much, and I’ll cliff out when the original grant ends. I can imagine how some people don’t want to believe the numbers, you’re right but it’s all fueled by stock growth and companies like Intel lose out cause your stock doesn’t grow as much.
    Mar 18, 2018 1
    • Amazon Amazoon
      50k of AMZN RSUs granted back in 2015 are worth over 200k now. I would be surprised if other companies try to match Amazon’s total comp. Any SDEs from Amazon gotten any offers recently?
      Mar 22, 2018
  • Intel Prole
    I think people on Blind should start posting pics of their W2s without identifying information. And fuzz out the last three digits so HR can't identify you by your pay. I'm not sure I believe some of the numbers I hear.

    I think this would be a huge benefit to the tech community if people did this because then we would have more reliable data points to go off of and would negotiate more confidently.
    Mar 18, 2018 5
    • Intel Prole
      Up to you.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • HealthNow / Eng Plateaux
      Sounds great, you first 😉
      Mar 25, 2018
    • Google HateThGame
      The numbers in this post seem reasonable though right?
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Lyft crossfire
      Yeah let's start with yours.
      Oct 9, 2018
    • Xilinx kQvK72
      Now with deepfakes, even these photos can be bogus.
      Feb 27
  • Google BoOG34
    Hmm, I thought I got a decent offer with 116 base, 135k stock, 50 signing, for new grad but that seems kind of low now... is that L3 actually accurate?
    Mar 17, 2018 5
    • Google BoOG34
      **Low considering my recruiter explicitly told me that I crushed my interviews
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Given people with <4 years of experience are also automatically stacked to L3, I’m not sure if new grads should necessarily be given over the median compensation. Depends on competing offers, of course.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google BoOG34
      Ah makes sense, I naively equated new grads with L3
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualtrics 😎Poo
      You can't be L4 with less than 4 years? Even if you're l4 at another company after 2 and you're interviewing with Google?
      May 13, 2018
    • Google / Eng mrwG74
      I got hired at L4 with 2 years of exp
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Amazon Vdtjcs
    What are the RSU grant period this is based on? Hiring or refreshers? It’s definitely interesting (and confirming) that the google L5 comp roughly matches up with what you would expect to earn at amazon L6 while the tip of range google L6 actually seems slight lower than the amazon L7 top range ignoring stock growth. On top of that the bay vs Seattle CoL.
    Mar 17, 2018 9
    • Amazon Vdtjcs
      Amazon is just total comp with a 160K cap (in Seattle) for base. So I’ll ignore the rest since it’s all the same in the terms you’re talking.

      The target comp I’ve HEARD of is between 400K and 600K. That’s target comp so if you just got hired you’d likely make that for year one and two. Year three+ would be based on stock growth. The plan would be that with 15% growth you would make the same in year two as year three (sign on bonus converting to stocks) and slightly more in year 4. With the 90% growth we’ve had in the past year, they would make significantly more than that when their stock vested. That’s even more true with people past their initial stick vesting as stock growth will no longer have much affect on target comps.

      I very recently (on blind) heard of an amazonL6 manager that ended up getting around 900k because of the stock growth. Didn’t really believe it but after doing the math it would actually work out if they were hired 3 - 4 years ago.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google xxdr
      Aren't Amazon levels basically just Google+1? Seems to match up?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Amazon Vdtjcs
      I think that’s actually too basic. Somewhere around (amazon) upper L5 / lower L6 I think they start swapping. I’ve seen “many” E5s start at amazon who really don’t succeed as an Amazon L6, let alone compare to the +50% bar.

      I think a lot of that is due to the skills that the companies nurture. Amazon heavily nurtures and promotes people with a leadership and “system design” mentality rather than pure development. From what I’ve seen, which could totally be wrong, is that at the early levels at G there isn’t a lot of need to focus on those areas. Once you get to the upper levels it’s expected that you have those to succeed further but those weren’t necessarily promoted early on in someone’s career.

      At Amazon, going from L4 to L5 is essentially the same thing as L5 to L6 but you have to be able to show a significantly bigger scope. The only way you can be involved in bigger scope is to be very capable in your technical skills.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google xxdr
      If you mean E5 (as in FB) then that's not equivalent to L5 at Google. Close, but easier to get I think
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Amazon Vdtjcs
      Sorry always forget which does the E levels. From what I’ve seen though is the general consensus is amazon is G or FB + 1. I’m sure there’s some differences but I have no idea where to place them in relation.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Facebook paxel
      Fb and G levels are fairly equivalent. I think its "easier" to get in as E5 compared to L5, but the role is very identical. G is stingy when it comes to leveling new hires.

      FB fires aggressively whereas G doesnt fire. I was L5 at Google and joined FB as E5, and currently E6.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google / Eng pov
      How's E6 salary at FB ? Also is scope of E6 same as L6 ?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Facebook paxel
      Higher end of E6 is def. higher than L6. Scope is similar. Easier to get promo at FB and easier to get fired too.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google / Eng pov
      Thanks! So is 650-700k for E6 possible at FB (new hire) ?
      Mar 18, 2018
  • LinkedIn Ybevis
    I know some people far exceed the 99% number
    Mar 28, 2018 5
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      For which level? How do you know what’s their comp?
      Mar 28, 2018
    • LinkedIn Ybevis
      L3 280k. L4 380k. They are my friends
      Mar 28, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Any insight on how they scored that? How many yoe?
      Mar 29, 2018
    • LinkedIn Ybevis
      Bidding offers. Stock refresh
      Mar 29, 2018
    • Amazon Xoogler101
      Stock appreciation also ?
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Applied Material fuball
    Hey OP, any idea what’s the number of years of experience for reaching these levels ? What would a phd with 5 years be, on an average.. L5/L6?
    May 13, 2018 7
    • Facebook / Eng AllAboutTh
      L4 most likely, L5 less likely, L6 only if you are god. G/FB are very risk averse with high level external hires.
      May 14, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      ^ this
      May 14, 2018
    • Applied Material fuball
      Wow.. really? I have seen several posts recently that say they have about 5 years exp and L5 at google.. and i was wondering that they’re not even phd’s (statistically speaking) .. interesting.. btw.. for fb, my friend joined high L5 .. phd + 7 years..
      May 14, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng AllAboutTh
      It depends where that 5 years experience is (eg internal promo?). G/FB discount experience that is not from top companies.
      May 14, 2018
    • Google Uvor31
      PhD doesn't count for very much extra, unless it's in very specific fields (eg ML) AND you're going to a team that wants that field. 5y doing PhD studu definitely isn't equated to 5y industry
      Dec 12, 2018
    • New / Eng
      31415926

      New Eng

      PRE
      startups
      BIO
      Self educated developer, been doing it 30 years. Worked at big and small. Started a few.
      31415926more
      Interesting. I came in at L7 SWE.
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Amazon lKs29c
      What your field and why do they hire you at L7?
      Jan 11
  • Microsoft AIsO62
    So this excluding signing bonus and refreshers, right?
    Mar 17, 2018 7
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      That’s excluding sign on, because most of the respondents weren’t hired this year. Overlapping refreshes may still apply.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      So TC for year 2 to 4 could be considerably higher than TC of a new offer (base + targeted perf bonus + RSU / 4) due to stock refreshers?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Yes
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      So target cash bonus is included in your numbers, e.g. 15% of base for L3 to L5?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Yes
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng Leo Messi
      Assume this is comp with current stock price (vs grant time) ?
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      The numbers assume the stock price of around last Dec-Jan.
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Google Vcwho
    The 99% seems low. I made 400k+ in past two years as L4 and L5. Will be 500k+ this year. 400k+ next year as the initial GSU is out.
    Apr 26, 2018 4
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      What was your initial offer back then?
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google Vcwho
      Around 290k excludes signon and refresh.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      I guess that was the top 1% of L4 those days. I also joined a few years back having a competing offer from FB, and the max they could do was 250k + 25 sign on after a round of bidding wars.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google Vcwho
      I had a F offer too. Another friend joined as L4 last year and offered ~350k at that time.
      Apr 26, 2018
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    • Google Facebook
      OP
      I know one L6 who’s been 10 years at the company, and with all refreshes and stock appreciation this year he’s expecting 550
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google / Ops Huhf13
      650 is a true outlier for L6
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng E12
    Can you report these numbers for Bay Area only? Could be all blind users reporting are Bay Area.
    Mar 17, 2018 2
    • Hulu ywPn24
      I agree, I think these numbers should be COL adjusted. OP, is this for all of Google or only for Bay Area Google?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      That’s across the US, but Bay Area leads in response number, of course.
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon frmnt
      TC?
      Jan 31
    • Nice selfie Deloitte, like an Indian Kim Kardashian 🤥
      Jan 31
    • Indeed / Eng uvfdx5efdy
      What is this
      Jan 31
    • Bank of America Ruy-Lopez
      Weird... on a platform like blind someone post personal pic...
      Jan 31
    • Amazon / Eng
      RonHubbard

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Slightly above average with 6 inches.
      RonHubbardmore
      This better be a selfie. If it's someone else's pic the poster is violating several privacy laws. Flagging.
      Jan 31
    • Amazon / Eng
      RonHubbard

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Slightly above average with 6 inches.
      RonHubbardmore
      I've flagged this for invasion of privacy, which it is most likely.
      Jan 31
    • Indeed / Eng uvfdx5efdy
      Flagged as well
      Feb 1
  • Google Baal
    Hey OP, is this with RSUs at vest or grant value?
    May 2, 2018 5
    • Google nMpd41
      Grant value but as I said above it is a sum of base + bonus + grant this year. So a person will be making this much total comp only if that person has been getting the same grant in past 3 years (assuming no appreciation)
      May 2, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      The data reflects how much an engineer earns per year. The majority of respondents weren’t hired in 2018, so they declared what they made for 2017.

      Simply put, TC = your current salary (last salary bump was in Nov) + the bonus you got this Jan for the last year + overall dollar amount of the stock you got vested last year (including a part of the initial grant if applicable and all overlapping refreshes).
      May 2, 2018
    • Google nMpd41
      To OP: What you are saying is not right. In the current spreadsheet the TC column is simply sum of Base + Bonus + Last grant. It is not the amount of stock that is vesting.
      May 2, 2018
    • Amazon Benny Lava
      I think only Amazon scam people with vest time value for TC calculation.
      May 13, 2018
    • Google R Kelley
      I think @nMpd41 may be right in that the spreadsheet is base + bonus + last grant (4yr grant used as 1yr TC with the assumption that it’ll stack 4 times)
      May 19, 2018
  • Facebook paxel
    Looks very similar to FB until E6.
    Mar 18, 2018 2
    • Google / Eng pov
      How's E6 for FB ? Higher or lower ?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Google rniklas
      Curious about this. Higher or lower?
      Apr 25, 2018
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    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Compare with go/paycomparison if you’re in doubt
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Amazon Vdtjcs
      Don’t google and Facebook have a spreadsheet of comps circling around internally?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Google does. But I’m not sure if at Facebook it is in a form of spreadsheet.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Amazon Vdtjcs
      Most likely I the form of likes.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google / Eng Alpha Zero
      POV seems a little slow.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google / Eng Alpha Zero
      POV seems a little douchey.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Amazon Accolade
      What is go/paycomparison?
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Microsoft Linkedin
      I imagine even if this data came from you internal spreadsheet it must be times more accurate than those random crazy numbers people post on Blind
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      The thing is, you can never get an "official and accurate" data on comp. If there is one, the company would totally loose its negotiation power.

      Every data point on blind, or other places like Glassdoor, paysa, are just unofficial data point to let you better informed in the negotiation process.

      People do this in a good faith manner. There is NO way to ever verify it. And no one owns you anything, that if he/she posts some data point here, he/she has to provide proof his/her data are authentic.
      Mar 18, 2018
    • Amazon Accolade
      POV thanks for letting me know.
      Mar 19, 2018
  • Google xvC27s
    Numbers look accurate, L6 400k TC here, recently promoted
    Dec 12, 2018 0
  • Yay someone necromanced this thread.
    Dec 12, 2018 2
    • Google alumnius
      Blind rated it as a top post of 2018
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Ah yeah and the Amazon recruiter AMA thread
      Dec 12, 2018
  • What is the average years of experience for for E4, E5, and E6.
    Mar 18, 2018 0
  • Intel / Eng
    SciTex

    Intel Eng

    BIO
    Work at Intel
    SciTexmore
    How can I find this info on a more credible location? A hiring manager is not going to want to look at data from a post from Blind I bet :p
    Dec 16, 2018 2
    • Broadcom Ltd. SriSrii
      Negotiation only happens with counter offers. And In some cases by walking away from the offer. These numbers are just for your info
      Dec 27, 2018
    • Intel / Eng
      SciTex

      Intel Eng

      BIO
      Work at Intel
      SciTexmore
      Fair enough
      Dec 30, 2018
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    • Google / Eng Salien7
      Was going to make this joke, then saidfuck it haha
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng UWBE87
    3-5 looks pretty similar to fb but 6+ leans heavily towards fb. I know a lot of 7s making Ms
    Aug 12, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng 92305
    Can it be that the initial stock grant / 4 is much (x2) higher than the target rsu for the level?
    Mar 17, 2018 5
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Initial grant / 4 is normally higher that yearly refreshes with meets expectations rating.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng 92305
      Understandable. Can it be 2x higher though? And if it is, how can this be interpreted?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      I think so. Say, if we assume the standard refresh for L4 is about 60k for meets expectations, theoretically one could get initial grant of 500k by acing interviews and presenting E5 offer from FB.
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng GoHiking
      Is stock refresher calculated as a percentage x base x calibration factor (based on your performance review)?
      Mar 17, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Not sure if that’s a fraction of base, rather some fixed number per level/org. Calibration factor is correct.
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Welp I feel pretty decent about my L3 offer in a cheaper city now. I'm at about 30% to 40% but living in a city significantly cheaper than Mountain View.
    Dec 12, 2018 2
    • Amazon BzdX48
      Which city?
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Boulder, which is fairly pricey, but nowhere near MTV but if you live 20 minutes away as I do its not really that bad.
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product MsftToGoog
    Can anyone comment about how applicable these percentiles are for the PM discipline. I’m assuming they are the DEV distribution. Do those numbers apply to PM as well? If not, how much less would a PM make? And is that equally true levels?
    Aug 28, 2018 2
    • Amazon Xdsre
      +1
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Cadence blabla234
      One level down
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Looking for similar breakdown for PM. How much does it vary between PM and SWE?
    Jul 1, 2018 0
  • Google nMpd41
    Note that this is just annual cash flow = Base + Bonus + Refresh (will vest over 4 years). Since you get refresher every year it is not wrong to add it to the year it was granted. So this does not include stock appreciation.
    Apr 30, 2018 0
  • Bloomberg mQaC41
    What should be great to know is the percentages of employees in each level ..e.g. 30% of employees are L3... 2% level 7 etc. Would be super useful to gage the likelihood of getting something along the lines of a particular level.
    Dec 12, 2018 3
    • Google t5y6u7
      There are internal charts with this exact data.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Google alumnius
      Yeah, not something that's published.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Apple iPhone Xs
      Vast majority get to L5 and remain there for a long time
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Cisco UserID1
    What about non-eng roles?
    May 8, 2018 3
    • Google Facebook
      OP
      Roughly 20% less
      May 8, 2018
    • Intel Intel5
      And is a FB technical mgr role that same as an engr mgr role?

      I'm talking to a recruiter about an infrastructure role but I can't tell how the req is classified. I asked the recruiter and she said it was "definitely a technical role" but no idea if that is the same or not.

      (My degree is in engr if that makes a difference)
      May 8, 2018
    • Cisco UserID1
      Is this base salary info?
      May 8, 2018
  • Cisco rajeshiyer
    Are the above total compensation numbers per year? Amazing to know at the high end of grade 7 you can earn up to 800K
    Aug 19, 2018 1
    • Salesforce Blotbansop
      So you can afford more than a shack in CA
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Amazon jtK6bbe1
    Are TPMs in the same level band?
    May 11, 2018 1
    • Concur sWfm01
      I’d like to know as well. I was told base is similar but RSUs are 50% of SWEs
      May 11, 2018
  • Indeed / Eng blu
    Where were the responses recorded? How accurate is this source of data?
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • Raytheon dJPW68
    It would be great to have insight on TPM percentiles as well.
    Oct 26, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Bvh
    It would be amazing to understand the non-tech equivalent numbers.
    Aug 19, 2018 0
  • eBay / Eng
    axp

    eBay Eng

    PRE
    WalmartLabs
    BIO
    principal engineer
    axpmore
    thanks for sharing this data.
    May 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon fCtq34
    I should have seen this before negotiation!
    May 5, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    New alias

    Microsoft Eng

    BIO
    iOS developer
    New aliasmore
    Thanks! Is there similar data available for Uber and Facebook?
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Uber zxcvbnmlk
    I got L5 Swe offer with tc 224. Recruiter claimed it’s standard offer. Location is Seattle.
    Jan 6 4
    • Amazon frmnt
      They are low balling. You need some kind of leverage, like a competing offer or specialized skills. Aim for 300k tc.

      What's the breakdown of the 224k tc offer?
      Jan 7
    • Uber zxcvbnmlk
      153k base 176k rsu 15% bonus 0 signon
      Jan 7
    • Amazon frmnt
      That's very low. Average L5 swe base in Seattle is 170k. At least get 160k base/300k stocks but try to hit 300k tc if possible.

      You'd also be starting early in the year so no refreshers for almost 2yrs. Make sure signon compensates for that (e.g. 50k).
      Jan 7
    • Facebook / Eng UWBE87
      Yikes that's worse than than my E3 new grad offer (100k sign-on).. I'd just stay at Uber or get a counter
      Jan 7
  • Facebook / Eng instandidl
    These look like numbers in offers. After some stock appreciation and refreshers, present numbers could be much higher.
    Dec 12, 2018 3
    • Google xvC27s
      The numbers here are all numbers. The fact that your TC increases over time after the initial offer is reflected in the percentage bands. TC on the low end of a band is for new offers and recent promotions
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng instandidl
      A new hire from FB could also negotiate hard and get a 80%ile offer.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Google xvC27s
      Yes, but TC tends to normalize over time. You might get an 80% initial offer, but subsequent year equity refreshes could be lower to bring you down to a 30-50% range
      Dec 12, 2018
  • I am pretty certain these numbers include appreciation as my L5 offer was $250k 5 years ago and they b*tched every year that my base was $10k above average almost at the top of the range. I left at 80th percentile L5 according to these numbers including appreciation.
    Dec 12, 2018 2
    • Google iuy
      I guess not. I was offered 280k+ as L4 more than 3 years ago. After I join, I never got less than 400k because of stock appreciation and refresh.
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng instandidl
      Same. My L4 offer was $250k more than 3 years ago. With refreshers and stock appreciation, I left fb earning $400k
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Intel cw007
    What does L5 means? How many years experience?
    Dec 12, 2018 2
    • Google xvC27s
      Unrelated to YoE. It’s related to how impactful your work is. That said, a new college grad starts at L3. An experienced professional usually starts at L4. L5 implies a leadership role of some kind, but even a senior or staff engineer at a non FANG company could easily be hired on at L4, no matter how many YoE
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng
      10xFortran

      Bloomberg Eng

      PRE
      Raytheon
      10xFortranmore
      I have been told my multiple people inside Google that new grads are not guaranteed to start at L3, and that L2 as an engineer is possible if you have absolutely no experience.
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Intel RNB1
    Level 7 = M2 at Google and Facebook?
    May 2, 2018 2
    • Google / Ops Huhf13
      Yes
      May 5, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      qmoG61

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Google
      qmoG61more
      I thought L5 can be manager. Is that M0?
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Bank of America theBadGuy
    So what is the normal level most people get into ? And how to go up in the ladder?
    Dec 12, 2018 1
    • General Mills / Data MUsi88
      My understanding was L5 - Senior was expected but also an acceptable stopping point. Above that you’re getting in to technical teams leads and obviously not everyone can be a leader. I thought I read ~20% or less go past 5 in their careers. This wouldn’t be dissimilar from most organizations where you have many people who never become leads/principles/architects regardless of YOE. Someone correct me if I’m wrong here.
      Dec 12, 2018
  • New / Eng ' OR 1=1;
    Anyone got any numbers for Zurich or other European offices?
    Apr 12, 2018 1
    • Synopsys sw100
      Come on, why you want to work in communist Europe..... Also say that you want to be lazy as hell and protest
      Dec 12, 2018
  • Google / Eng N0ogl3r
    FWIW Im in the exceed 99% category
    Apr 4, 2018 1
    • Google c++2017
      Which level
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Tesla santaclz
    $800!!!!! That’s the ultimate goal!!!
    Dec 12, 2018 0
  • Intel udtfd67
    What should I use for FB E6?
    Aug 10, 2018 0
  • Twitter jyVc45
    Thanks for the info
    Apr 3, 2018 0
  • Visa visaboys
    What is L7 equivalent to?
    Dec 12, 2018 4
    • Google xvC27s
      1-2 levels higher than the highest level at most other companies
      Dec 12, 2018
    • Google Viix
      Former VP's and C-levels at smaller Fortune 500 companies
      Dec 12, 2018
    • New / Eng
      31415926

      New Eng

      PRE
      startups
      BIO
      Self educated developer, been doing it 30 years. Worked at big and small. Started a few.
      31415926more
      Yep I’m L7 and I have been VP of a public company and cto of several startups. Not that I’d go back to startups I’m having too much fun and being paid far too well at GOOG. Might change my mind when my new hire grant and retention bonus end in a couple of years. 😎
      Dec 19, 2018
    • 31415926, what is the wlb, stress level? being offered at a much higher comp at other public firm, but am concerned about the toll it will take on life quality.
      Feb 3

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