[Hot Take] SWEs shouldn’t be paid high
Look at the most promising companies in the world Microsoft, Apple They both pay 🥜. Also look at Google, its compensation is no longer the top of the top. In the meantime, look at dumpster fire companies like Roblox Plaid They pay top-notch. Companies should stop overestimating “top talents” abilities. Maybe after all, top talents don’t go to highest paying jobs
Microsoft and Apple Pay 🥜??? You clearly haven’t worked for tier 2/3/4 companies. They pay higher than 95% of the tech companies and 99% of all companies in the US.
Depends what you mean by "high". It's a little crazy that senior staff engineers can make like 700k+. It feels like it doesn't need to be like that. But even the companies you mentioned like MS, Apple, Google will easily pay 200k for intermediate level SWEs and 300-400k for senior eng. That seems like a real market rate for good SWEs and I think most people out there would still consider that "high."
Actors get paid more and it doesn’t require any talent. It’s just about following what the directors tell you to do(directors are the real talented people)
Footballers in England (see my name for an example) get paid £200,000 for kicking a facking ball!
Lmao let’s see your acting reel then buddy. What a joke
Keep using leetcode and keep hiring h1b that can’t speak proper English, and then you wonder why the talent doesn’t produce anything meaningful
Who wondered that? Lot of the immigrants who came here and setup successful businesses did not know “proper” English. You seem to be great at English and born here, what have you produced? You work at fricking capital one, maybe get off your high horse
Computer language != English Logic != meaning
Low level labor's comp doesn't matter. It's all about having good leaders and good business models.
OP, I will volunteer to accept the 50% of your salary you feel you don't deserve. DM me and we can arrange a payment schedule that works.
Are you seriously saying you should get paid less? First time someone volunteered to get less pay lmao. Google makes like 2 mil per employee, we should get paid more
I can’t believe the amount of whining on this app. This is literally the easiest life possible
Nah, that title goes to dermatologists or cosmetic surgeons. Plenty only work a few days a week and still take home 500k+ private practice. And these are 8 hour days or less. Although it’s much harder to get into dermatology than a top tech company. All the students are competing for it because of said benefits
Nah. They had to do med school. Elite software engineers sometimes don’t even have a bachelors degree
Microsoft software is total trash though. They are riding off brand name, which is not something a startup can afford. Same for apple. Also apple is not a software first company. Pretty sure you aren’t an eng. You clearly don’t know how much tech companies make per engineer. Engineers are literally paid peanuts even if at 500k/ year
Another problem for Msft is too much redundancy. I’m sure even if they layoff 50% they can still operate effectively. Too much fake work, crazy high number of cvp, toxic garbage mgrs, very few projects really generate good revenue.
I think you misunderstand what "peanuts" means.
Eh, Microsoft and Apple hired mostly H1B engineers, so the pay is consequentially below what you'd get elsewhere in tech.
Apple is something like 90th percentile for tech comp, Microsoft is around 70th percentile, iirc. But for sure. Compared to Google and Meta and some smaller companies (Netflix! Uber! AirBnb! Pinterest!), they pay less. LPeople talk about getting paid peanuts when they end up at a company like Microsoft or Amazon, coming from Google, and it shows how grossly out of touch they are, rather than anything meaningful. Sorry OP wasn't good enough to keep a job at Google, ffs