Y'all need to admit it, both Stripe and and Facebook have curve fitting aka stack ranking. Both have ranges(10-15%) for bottom performers or bottom buckets and these bottom performers with 2 back to back low rating will be pipped. By the time you get your first bottom rating you can pretty much start counting your days. Anyone claiming this information is false is blatantly lying since I have friends at E6 level at both places who have confirmed that both stripe and Facebook leadership have similar beliefs that curve fitting is the natural rule of law. People shit on Amazon but don't realize that forced curve fitting or stack ranking and then treating bottom performers as unwanted souls is just as bad.
A lot of companies do even if they wonβt call it that. If itβs not for your team, definitely at the org
Nope. Salesforce and Microsoft does not have forced bottom bucket performers to be pipped.
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Youβre right. Amazon has 1.3+M employees; of course, there will be a bigger talent spread which will cause the curve fitting to seem like itβs more than usual. Facebook and Stripe combined do not even come close to 100,000 employees. So what actually gets told on Blind is one-sided. Facebook conducts a performance review every 6 months.
Only 100k of the 1.3 M employees at amazon are engineers. Google has 60k engineers. Meta(FB) has 33k engineers. Stripe has 2k engineers. Apple has 47k engineers. MS has 75K engineers.
FB still has almost 3X less.
Don't know about stripe but fb 100% does not have stack ranking. Never has. It's not a terrible idea and many companies do it as performance culture is important to most businesses but there has never been stack ranking.
Are you a returning intern ? If yes get back to work because your daddies/mommies at E6 and E7 level are going to enforce calibrations to push your rating to MM to enforce a "natural" curve.
Looool you dont know the legend of public2 and his real estarte advices. He is probably E6+
Heh. I assure you it exists elsewhere and Iβve worked there but you do you.
It doesn't exist in Microsoft Salesforce and Google. They don't require 10-15% bottom performer bucket
Neither does FB. Source: used to be there
Samsung also has this type of rankings
How about Adobe ? Also please tell your level
Cs1. Joined 5 months back. Not sure how Adobe ranking work,but it's not a rest and vest place as blind claims.
Isn't implicit or explicit curve fitting everywhere? Like a large org cannot give everyone high ratings. If they do that'll change the definition of high rating because everything is comparative. Curve fitting is called calibration at Google. What the company does to low and high performers is a different story.
Yup at Google 3/4 NI back to back NI rating won't result in a pip because there is no such rule that you need to be pipped if you get X amount of NI ratings. But at Facebook and Stripe 2 back to back NI equivalent ratings and you are out
Your title is stack ranking and that's everywhere. Pip policies and rewarding high performers is the other thing.
It exists pretty much everywhere. Just ratio and intensity of pip are different. Honestly people complaining about pip should be better at their job, and that includes their relationships with their managers. Yes, there might be some unfortunate cases, but in that case, do they really wanna keep working with their shitty manager? There are tons of tech jobs at this moment. Just move on if one company doesn't like you.
One issue with Amazon is that a PIP blocks you from the whole company. It's a very cruel process where you're being told you're no longer allowed to ever work at Amazon, just because some random manager needs to fulfill the quota, and they couldn't find a better candidate than you.
Does your company offer the exact same amount of raise, bonus, and equity refresher to every employee? Or are they determined in some way by your performance? If it's the latter, congratulations, you work somewhere with stack ranking!
It's about you treat your bottom performers. At stripe and Facebook they pop their bottom performers is they get 2 back to back low ratings(which was enforced).
No, it's not. Stack ranking is exactly that: ranking employees by performance, then using that information for compensation and employment decisions. What they do with each part of the stack is another question entirely, but that's not stack ranking. For places that PIP out low performers, that's the "yank" in "rank and yank". At Uber, managers gather in a room for calibration, and put everyone in the organization into a Google sheet that's sorted from highest score to lowest, then there are discussions about if everyone in each cluster is performing similar. If not, people get pushed up and down, based on what managers say about their work.
Facebook definitely has stack ranking. They require 10% to be in bottom MM ranking. They try to not be explicit about it, how they do it is the director will review the packets before calibration to determine the bottom 10% of people, then pick the next person above to define as the "anchor" for needing an MA rating.
Exactly.
That's the whole reason why pips happen at Facebook and Stripe. They claim it's the bar and how it was all natural. Anyone in leadership will tell you it wasn't natural
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but folks at Stripe call it βAmazon cultureβ and blame leadership from Amazon
Yup they don't have Quotas to necessarily pip but given the fact that kids are employed at a company that is so nascent they will eventually end up developing trash tools and infrastructure and eventually burned out after trying to fix it.