PoliticsNov 9, 2023
Newmahibhai

I am done with Muslims crying Wolf every time

It's more to do with the inability of Islam to reform itself to live in the world with harmony. Unlike Christianity that embraced printing, leading to the Protestant reformation movement led my Martin Luther. Islam outright banned printing of the Quran. The the clergy controlled the Quran and it's decimation among the public. This was also the reason why the Muslim world was left far behind in terms of technological and economic progress as compared to the rest of the world. Europe.ended up getting a 300 year headstart. There is some responsibility with the Muslims as well, while responsibility does not call for community punishment and never should. There is a case to be made to hold them responsible for their own fate, based on the decisions they made. Currently, the Houthis are busy killing other Yemeni Muslims, China is packing Uighur Muslims to concentration camps, Pakistan is displacing 1.5million Muslims from Pakistan to Afghanistan. Egypt ruled over Gaza before Israel till 67 and has since shrugged its hands off Gaza, it could have made a path towards citizenship for them but it chose not to. Jordan could have done the same, and declared West Bank an independent Palestine Nation but it did not. Because it wanted control over The Temple Mount to get divine credence to rule Jordan. Since the inception of Islam, Religion has dictated authority over the populace thus removing the possibility of any challenge to it's hegemony in addition Islam teaches that this is the final word of God hence eliminating the possibility to question it or reform it. Hamas is the legitimately elected government of Gaza. Expected by the Gazans to govern and defend them. Gazans voted for it knowing what it was and it's aim as written in it's Charter. That clearly stated the annihilation of Israel. These very people rejoiced in the Oct 7 attack on Israelis and further mutilated the Israelis when they were kidnapped to Gaza. Not 10-15 buy hundreds of regular Gazan civilians. They let Hamas build weapons factories and storage within their own homes use their children's schools as launch sites. How do they expect us to detach them from terrorists when they themselves have failed to do so. Until Islam transforms and gives the people the ability to question their faith, unfortunately we will continue to live like this. My last question is where is Islam's Martin Luther...??? Unfortunately no one outside Islam can do it as it is important how that goal is achieved. It needs to be a movement from within which today is impossible.

Meta cKyK18 Nov 9, 2023

Don't worry, Israel's goal is to kill more Muslims and control "the greater Israel" which includes parts of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and others

Google UWOM24 Nov 27, 2023

Please extend Israel all the way to Dabiq.

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mahibhai OP Nov 9, 2023

It's not this, where is the fury about Darfur or Rohingyas or what Pakistan is doing to Afghan Muslims? Or for that matter the killing of activities by moral police in Iran.

Google UWOM24 Nov 27, 2023

Can you ask Washington? They seem to be very sensitive about Israel only.

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mahibhai OP Nov 9, 2023

Israel must be pretty shitty at Genocide against Muslims because they themselves have 2M Muslim Israeli citizens in Israel proper.

Google UWOM24 Nov 27, 2023

They are human shields against nuclear attack.

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mahibhai OP Nov 9, 2023

Ok for a second let's say Hamas is the result of Israeli terror. Then why did it kill Fatah forced them out? The people who had been fighting for the same thing as Hamas? Who started these wars? Israel never did? What would you do if your country had repeated suicide bombers from your neighbor. You would start a war to right? The Jews had pogroms and the Holocaust, every Jew living today had their ancestors face that. By that logic every Jew should be a terrorist coz what is the chance for them to become a peaceful person? There is every chance and that is exactly my point, it's up to the individual society to decide its own fate. Palestinians chose continued war when they elected Hamas. They are also responsible for where they are today. It's easy to throw absolve oneself and put the blame on others. It's much harder to accept the situation and make the best out of it. India and Pakistan started from the same point, I chose Islam and the other chose pluralism. Look where is one today and where is the other. Not to forget Bangladesh, who rejected the Islamic inclinations of West Pakistan leading to them losing their democratic rights followed by genocide and mass rape of over 1M Bangladeshi Bengali Muslims women in concentration camps so that the next generation has the DNA of West Pakistan. They chose their Bengali identity over Islam and have since overtaken the nation interms of development from which they were born.

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mahibhai OP Nov 9, 2023

Israel did try making peace multiple times. The PA rejected it. To the settlements, I do agree with you they should not be there Israel violated the Oslo accords in that. Also, Israel doesn't discriminate about the laws in Areas A and B they have their own government the PA they design their own laws, their own courts and health system - the unfair thing here would be to apply Israeli laws to them instead of letting them make their own. In type C areas, Oslo agreement established that it would be under temporary control of the Israeli government. It's from here that confusion arises; the laws that prevail in type C are military laws. If Palestinian commits a crime there, they are tried by military courts. If it's an Israeli they are judged by the Military law and the Israeli law. The question then is why does this diffinentiation exist. The reason Israel has different laws for WB is because applying its own laws would be tantamount to annexation of WB Type C areas. Here what Israel did wrong was put the settlements. Are Palestinians are not locked up in small spaces, they generally have freedom of movement across the WB, what is true that there are military checkpoints along the road but that is required due to terrorism. Also if you say that Palestinians are barred from using road. Then that is just 40km out of a total road network of 4000km.

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mahibhai OP Nov 9, 2023

After that was the Yom Kippur War. Which they lost to Israel. Technically making Israel the legitimate owner of the land by international law as it was a territory of the aggressor that it captures through battle and defeating the enemy. No your point of being peaceful, I come from India. My grand parents came to India during partition. And millions from both sides lost their lives homes and everything and migrated to India and Pakistan. So if you ask me am I angry about it, is my dad angry about it or is my grandfather angry about it? No we are not none of us are, we and much like millions of Indians take it as a learning about the worst in men and what division brings about. Our lands were also taken and none turned to terrorism or anger.

Amazon SFwO13 Nov 9, 2023

Egypt was about to attack Israel and, crucially, imposed a blockade. Imposing a blockade has been considered an act of war / legit casus belli in international law since forever.

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mahibhai OP Nov 9, 2023

We understand that very well. Before that the Muslims did as well. But guess what we made peace and moved on. Don't have deep resentment for neither.

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mahibhai OP Nov 10, 2023

No they're aren't. You cannot block the Straits of Tiran, expel UNEF fund terrorists against Israel and then have a military pact and not expect the other side to retaliate at all. For once stop killing, just once. Let me end this with a quote from Quran: Surat Al-Ma'idah 5:51-55: O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allāh guides not the wrongdoing people.... it's the word of God isn't it?