EDIT: Got an IC offer from a FAANG-like company. My offers: 1. Director at a non-tech non-Bay Area public company ($230k + 30% bonus) 2. Contract at a Bay Area Tier 2 company ($90/hr) 3. IC at a non-tech non-Bay Area public company ($185k + 25% bonus) None of them offer RSU based compensation in year 1. I interviewed at these companies and was rejected after final rounds: Uber Etsy Dropbox Doordash I am still interviewing at FAANG style companies, but thinking of calling it. Blinders - what would you do? Thanks for your continued support! Naysayers - thanks in advance for keeping your “comments” to yourself. Current TC: $0 Previous TC: $230k, 10% bonus, $60k RSUs Principal/Senior Manager level. YOE: 25 Ex-bosses at Workday played their dirty politics to save their butts. Still using and driving my work - might patent it without me! White collared robbery.
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You're a principal engineer from Workday with 25 years of experience and you're telling me you have no connections whatsoever to help you atleast get a Director position? C'mon man
Connections will only get you an interview. I competed head to head with xFAANG who are laid off Mgrs, Directors and VPs. I may not hire myself with these xFAANGers in the market. Hiring managers have a bias all else equal or marginally unequal. Show some respect kid!
Seriously man, wtf were you doing for 25 years? Coding under the fucking rock? How come you don’t have connections,
Congratulations on the offers. 🎊🍾🎈Btw.. I think I know you. Your initials - MB ?
Workday baby let’s gooooo
Workday - yes. Ex GM, ex Boss and stooges - nah.
Why do contract roles pay so little? Not a jab at you, I keep seeing that over and over these days. Do they not realize anyone they hire will jump ship immediately once the market gets better?
Contractors fall into 2 places. Temporary technical expert or cheap unit test writer
Yet OP doesn't fall in the cheap unit test writer category. Why would someone accept less money? If anything, I'd expect to be paid *more* as a contractor given the lack of benefits and temporary nature of the position.
Never seen a principal complain like this.
Huh. Why would you categorize this as a complaint? Should I compliment my ex-boss for stealing my work and attempting to file a patent?
You're name calling. My principals are those that others look up to.
But you were a director. Don’t all managers live off of ICs hard work. Generally I don’t see any management person having much talent and zero technical talent.
where do you see a mention in the post that I am a Director. Principal/Sr Mgr level.
Wrong. You’re not the superstar you think you are and selling your limited skills to solve business problems is your director/Mgrs job. Could you be able to figure it out by yourself over a year, sure. Are you in a position to figure things out and build in a year - Nope. A good director is less replaceable than a dev. Soft skills and navigating org politics aren’t picked up by practising leetcode.
It’s really painful to read and to understand what, when, where are you?
What part is painful? I can make it look easier on the eye.
All good 👍 appreciate the offer
Why still work after 25 yoe? Life set back like a divorce took half or smth?
That is always on the cards. Plus kids’ college. I have seen friends unexpectedly split up and all of them lost half NW.
How did you manage to make only $40k/year rsu as Principal/Sr Manager at Workday?
You are right. Went back and looked at my distributions - it is more like $60k/yr in the recent 2 years. My original value was $40k.
We get 2.5x that refresher at Walmart at same level (Principal or Sr Mgr depending on track). I always thought Workday paid much better than us. The more I learn about tech pay I learn that outside of RSU inflation we actually pay well even though we're never mentioned in the top lists but have average TC that should put us around #25. Then people think Amazon pays well and is the "world's best employer" for paying $225k to L5s.
Congrats for the offers. I really thought that I won't have to grind LC after 15 years of experience. Looks like that's not the case?
LC or FIRE brah
LMAO, absolutely you do.