Summarizing s386 - why it is a crappy bill
Some ignorant guy was repeating the ImmiVoice talking points on s386, which are all bullshit. Let's look at the actual facts: This is the bill being passed off as just lifting country caps for "high skilled" workers, but it's really not doing that, it's doing much more. First, it applies to both EB2 and EB3 and while EB2 is high skilled (and we probably should take ALL these folks without any cap) EB3 is actually a low skilled category and includes loads of minimally qualified people. For EB3 it DOES make sense to have a cap, and a country cap makes sense as well--it's not about bringing in the most skilled (unlike EB1 or EB2) so since skill really isn't a factor bringing in a diverse group makes a lot of sense. Here are the EB3 requirements, right from USCIS: "Skilled Workers You must be able to demonstrate at least two years of job experience or training. Relevant post-secondary education may be considered as training. You must be performing work for which qualified workers are not available in the United States. A labor certification and a permanent, full-time job offer are required." Maybe S386 propaganda claims two years working experience (or just "training") after high school makes someone a rocket surgeon but in my books that is LOW skilled: https://my.uscis.gov/exploremyoptions/eb3_permanent_workers What's this mean in terms of who we are getting? Let's look at 2016, first at some normal employers: Facebook - 136k Goldman Sachs - 157k Google - 129k Microsoft - 124k Amazon - 125k Those are mostly going to be EB2 applicants including from India. EB2 had some fraud from India but for the sake of argument let's say the Indian EB2's are just as good. Looking fine so far. But now let's look at the wages paid by some Indian consulting firms: Cognizant, the #1 visa sponsor, $69k Infosys, $89k Hcl $101k Capgemini, $100k That is the shit tier of tech and almost all of that is coming EB3, in the low skill category. And then let's see, do we really just have tech on this list or are EB3 standards are so incredibly low that we're even bringing in FARM HANDS: House of Raeford Farms, $17k Koch Foods of Alabama, $20k Case Farms, $18k https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-Green-Card-Sponsor.aspx Yup, the Indian consulting spam is coming through the same employment greencard the FARM WORKERS come on. Which brings me to the biggest piece of shit propaganda ImmiVoice pushes--that Indian skilled workers are on average more highly paid than noon Indians. Well, why might that be? Could it be that India just isn't sending any farm workers? Maybe because you can't bring a farm worker on an h1b and there's a backlog for India so it doesn't work bringing them directly on EB3 either. But because ROW has no backlog, farms ARE able to come directly on EB3, without having to go through a different visa first, so they do. So what we have here is the shit tier of tech demanding greencards because they are more highly paid than a farm worker. Paid less than ANYONE else in tech, because they are shit tier, but hey--more than a farm worker! So what's going to happen if s386 gets passed? The idea of to give everyone a EAD who files an i140, without needing any other visas. There will be no country cap on that, in fact, NO CAP AT ALL. Farms will literally be able to use EB3 to bring in millions of unskilled farm workers. Shit tier tech will flood the economy with $70k consultants. It'll be a disaster for America. And no, you do NOT need to get an h1b first so the "h1b fix" they yap about fixes NOTHING: people will skip filing h1b and file directly for i140 via "consular processing". Few do that today but in a post s386 world that will be the easiest way to get a work visa and millions, literally millions, will. And that's who s386 is a bullshit bill and everything you hear about it from ImmiVoice is a pack of lies.
Now can we look at 2019 numbers? https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2019-Green-Card-Sponsor.aspx Google 147k Tata consultancy services 145k Amazon.com 130k ( wow we must be cheap labor now compared to tata body shop🤯🤯🤯🤯) Uber 137k Hcl 105k Infosys 114k Spoke too soon?
Doesn't seem to change anything, though it's obvious Trump had some effect. But, you can still find low paid consulting services (you listed some) and while you pretended they don't exist the farm workers are still there. Plus unless you are proposing to revoke all outstanding i140s, 2016 is WAY more representative of the backlog--which is what we will actually be getting for the next decade. The 2019 applicants are a decade from the front of the line.
All i am saying is you have cherry picked all the data to your convenience and drew a fear mongering assertion. Peace out
Also can you post data for the assertion that everyone from product company is on eb2 vs consultancy company on eb3? I know lot of people in amazon/google who are in eb3.
Not needed for my point
You got it all wrong. EB categories are not based on pay, they are based on experience. Even USCIS have not defined a shit of who a qualified worker is, so dont wreck your mind on it. An indian guy with MS from stanford and working in google as SWE is still not qualified to get green card immediately- he would have the same back log as that of any consultancy company.
I literally cut and paste the requirement from USCIS website. Under EB3 "skilled worker" just means two years of training or experience. EB2 is the category that requires any real education.
Not exactly! No real higher education with 5+ years of relevant experince in your field is sufficient to bump to EB2! Even the USCIS dont have their shitt together on how they defined these terms.
Why so much discussion on a dead bill?
The bullshit artists pushing this thing will continue pushing it, and we will keep hearing these myths and half truths about it.
There's nothing to push, so no reason for anyone to get riled up...
On similar note: s386 is crappy bill, it doesn't solve world hunger. Opposers don't have valid reasons now and are gasping for straws.
Post 1 is full of valid reasons, such as how it creates an unlimited number of new work visas for low skilled people
S386 is so crappy that it doesn’t solve climate change... :)
Whatever shit you talk about is not bought by congressmen. 84% house reps voted yes for this bill. Already 36% of senators are cosponsoring the bill, and I'm sure > 60% senators are supporting this bill. All needs to happen is UC to pass, and then the voting will happen. During that time, you can talk about your shit. Stop your shitty posts, and stay in line.
OP is trying best to fear monger with half cooked facts and incorrect assertions
I provided detailed facts, you haven't been able to dispute. As for whether it's bought by politicians, that's an action item--call them and share these concerns. Good news is this is fixable. Small change to the bill excluding eb3 from it solves the issue.
Why ROW don’t have 140 approved today? It has lot of limit left over.
Employer hasn't filed the GC for the row people fear mongering here yet. ( Basically they haven't proved their skill/value yet to convince employer for GC, but want fast tracked GC for future) They are afraid when the employer files in future they might have to wait in line.
Not desperate like India
You're not accounting for COL and the prevailing wage in the region. $80k in the midwest can go a long way.
How far does $19k go?
If government approves for 19k, 19k it is. Who are you to decide? I do understand 19k made up number.