Hi! I have an offer from Amazon for BIE at L5. I interviewed for L6 but was down leveled. My current TC is 145 + 35 = 180 all cash. Bonus last year went considerably down due to company performance. My questions are: 1. Is there any scope for negotiation? Or am I already pushing the limit for L5? 2. Best methods for negotiating? 3. How common is it to be promoted to L6 within a year? Of course given required work at required scope. 4. How are the benefits at Amazon? Thank you! #data #dataanalytics #datascience #amazon #bie #offer #negotiation #negotiateoffer #analytics
Is there a performance based bonus at Amazon?
No, but your raise/ comp change each year is directly tied to performance
Why Amazon friends/colleagues/mentors didn't inform me about PIP due to team change? I spent 5 years in Amazon on L1 and interacted with many employees across teams. Nobody informed me about the fact that one gets PIPed if you inform current manager about team change. 1.Why did this happen? What should I have i done differently to avoid this and know it proactively? 2. Also nobody told me that it's almost impossible to get H1B now from L1 and one needs to join a Desi consultancy to win H1b.Why?
How many YOE is L5?
3 to 8
My L5 in 2022 was 162K as a FYI
I have worked in Amazon a few years and have plenty of Indian Telugu “friends”* so I can speak on this. You are totally correct in that there is blatant nepotism among the various groups of Indians in tech. They have created a nepotist monopoly among every large and small tech company they become a part of.
Which other companies have this kinda Nepotism that we need to avoid ?
Bie is a crazy crappy role at Amazon. Will be doing SQL for 18 hours everyday for PMs to get promoted
^ this
I think you can negotiate the bonus as well. Is $13K the sign-on bonus for the first two years? You can negotiate the base pay also based on your YOE. What's your YOE?
13k is avg over 4 years. Yoe is 7
$16K In Equity is also the avg over 4 years? I think you can negotiate on base pay upto 10-15K.
Are you sure you are willing to go to Amazon even tho your TC decreased? And is this same city or you have to move
Definitely not going if they don't even match. In fact, I'm expecting some increase. Not enjoying my current work and never worked at a Big tech so the allure is strong.
Good for you! Good luck btw
Definitely room, I’ve heard upper band is $192k. I started at $183k in MCOL.
Also FYI - promo to L6 in a year is unheard of if not impossible. Prepare for at least 9-10 qtrs, 8 if you’re killing it beyond belief
How'd you prep op?
SQL, basic Python, visualization concepts, basic statistics, wrote stories for LPs.. nothing out of ordinary
I got this offer in November last year for L5 BIE in atx
*similar. First 2 years with sign on was around 174k then coming down to 162k.
The recruiter tried to talk me into it by saying L6 promo is easy and you have the right number of experience but I ended up not taking it because of the toxic culture my friends at Amazon warned me of (not sure if applicable to BIE though, they’re all SDE) plus I also found out that L5 to L6 is a tough and long journey.
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Very unlikely to be promoted in a year. Yes there is room for some negotiation (+10k). L5 pay band is 150 -200k in Seattle. Just ask the recruiter. Tell them to match your current pay or make up another offer Tech stack is mostly SQL + QS/Tableau. But Amazon might be more stable than Nikola. Free Banana in the only benefit afaik
Thank you for the insight! How about switching to DE/DS after some time? Is that possible?
It’s possible. Amazon is pretty flexible for changing teams/roles