I read a lot about PIP on blind. I am wondering what is the situation in Europe Offices? Especially Germany. Is PIP common in germany too?
What's the TC for software engineers like in Germany and other European countries?
I know some people that got at least a 30% cut in base when transferring from Seattle to Berlin (note: Berlin is an inexpensive city compared to other big European ones). Similar cut for NYC to London. The good thing is that you keep your original RSU grant. I have no idea how refreshers work in Europe and how much they are...
TC in Europe is just 20/25% of what people make in the US. Base salary is lower but the biggest drop comes once you get local stocks.
Also RSUs are taxed as income. So you immediately loose 42% of them to the tax man.
Law in Europe generally protects workers from abuse. So Pip is illegal
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Ive only seen it happen to 1 person in 2 years and that person was rather incompetent. So its rare but it happnes. But there is always social security and severance here to fall back on if you are PIPed
I don't have numbers to compare. My sense is that in the US it may be easier to put someone on a PIP for various legal reasons. In the UK, a PIP in any business is a way to manage someone out while adhering to ACAS guidelines for managing underperformance. It's not something that you as a manager can do left, right and centre. Therefore, it MAY be so that in the EU PIP is not as popular as it is in the US, but I would not be able to tall for sure.
Many EU and UK labor laws specify workers can only be removed "with good cause". If you compare this to the US, where Amazon URA is 10X tech industry norms, that would open Amazon to endless action. I personally know a DE PM that was convinced to transfer to Seattle, where there was a prompt dev plan and PIP. EU (and IN) workers need to be very wary of "promotions to HQ". Sure, "it is where all the action is", the PIP action...
In Dublin’s office that’s almost unheard of. Very few people are being piped, some were fired due incompetence in their probation period which is okay, but once you pass the first six months it’s very difficult to get fired. Not unlikely, but you need to be either “special” or your manager to not like you big time.
In most European countries a job is considered a human right. You probably need to account for a lawsuit for each person you fire or let go. I don't see PIPs being as common as in the US.
You can fire people there too, you just need a lot of paperwork to document why the employee is not meeting the written expectations of the job description. Plus you need to give him feedback and a few months to actually correct the performance issues, etc. But if all fails you can fire.
True. Lots more work compared to the US. Also, a judge will generally lean towards the little guy is a lawsuit ensues