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Hey, my org is asking to come to office even if I have joined Amazon as virtual employee, and they are asking to relocate where most of the team resides. Curious, what are my options ? And how they can force me to come to office though I joined as remote employee? Is it legal? Any thoughts or options on legal sides? Any suggestions in this matter is helpful Relocating is not an option for me.#hybrid #remotework #wfh #softwareengineer #google #netflix #apple #meta
Is there anywhere in your contract that says you are remote?
We don’t have contracts! Not 1099 employees we are at will employees. In your “offer letter” there is wording that tells you that the contents can be changed by the “employer” at will. Where do you people come up with this?
They can give you a new offer “take it or leave” as on site or hybrid position. Totally legal. My previous company converted my role from on-site to remote and I had to sign new offer (I suppose it is a material change from legal POV).
Pip incoming if you don’t move
This as an ex-amazon person
How is life outside Amazon?
Do companies pay for relocation in such cases? If it's not even paid it sucks.
I know Amazon does. I don't think it's legally required though
Probably, but with a payback clause. It was a great day the last of my relocations expired (worked in the ops org where relo was super common)
Ask for an exception.
Won't work unless if you are L7+ IC and have some strong reputation in the engineering community. L11 approvals are required for getting a remote work exception. I have tried this unsuccessfully in the recent past. OP, just out of curiosity, who is the L10 in your org?
How many levels are there in Amazon is the cap 99 like in old school RPGs?
My company tried to bring me into the office twice. First time they wanted me to come into the HQ which is in another city to which I emailed my manager something along the lines of "I understand my position is being relocated to XYZ city. What is the company offering as a relocation package?" I also mentioned a few expenses I'd incur as a result and would expect them to compensate me for. Nothing crazy but it doesn't take much to add up to 1-2 years salary. More importantly that created a paper trail clearly establishing that the company was moving my position through no fault of mine, and that the same position would continue to exist, along with my willingness to continue working my position, and that there were no concerns that I wasn't able to do my job from my current location, it was purely the company's preference. At that point the company had four options: they could cough up enough money to make it worth while for me to move, they could cough up a much larger than usual severance, they could try to fire me or discipline me and get absolutely fucked for wrongful dismissal, or they could back down. I didn't want to move of course so it was a gamble to see if they'd fold first and they did. Second time they asked me to come into the office but the office is within driving distance of my house. I was literally the only person at this office from my department though so it's utterly pointless and them just trying to give me the middle finger but anyways I said sure and then just severely abused the "work from home in exceptional circumstances" policy and didn't show up more than once or twice a week for about a year. They finally caught me but because they hadn't caught me earlier or clarified the vaguely worded the policy to me, and I'd made them state on paper that the quantity or quality of my work were not in question; they could really only give me a letter where they clarified the policy. Now I'm begrudgingly going into the office semi regularly for now. 3-4 days usually. I expect they'll catch me and I'll get an actual disciplinary letter which I'll counter with some BS about misinterpreting the previous letter and medical issues or whatever. Basically enough that they can discipline me but not immediately fire me for cause. At the end of the day it's a battle of attrition. I can't outright win but I can make it painful for them. Since I'm the only one at the bullshit office they need me to go to I do have a lot of leeway. Best case scenario is that they'll pay me a nice severance, and I'll just move onto another company that does allow remote working. Worst case scenario I'm hunting for other positions already and I'll put up with their demands for a few months until I land a better position. I'm overdue for advancement anyways. All this depends on your legal protections where you live, how explicitly worded their directions are, how closely you're supervised, and the company's own policies.
Unless a contract the company writes for you has a specific end-date, it means squat. They can fire you right after you move.
Yeah this is the power move. But you can also just look for a job at a decent company for a bit of a pay cut.
Location is not a protected class. Your employer can ask you to work from a specific location and you’re free to resign anytime. You should look for another remote job.
Nah make them fire you. Don't make it easy for these corporate leeches
I'm not OP, but I'm in the devices org and we have a mandatory 3 days a week policy. And because recent numbers showed most people aren't complying with RTO, they recently started cracking down.
Don’t come into Amazon trap, they will mess up for sure later. I am the live example and there are many. We should start a hashtag for #DoNotJoinAmazon and I can totally for it to collaborate with peoples here
Curious how this turns out. I'm also virtual but have heard strong rumblings from org that everyone (regardless of virtual status) will be called back via RTT. I'm also not willing (or really able) to relocate. Sucks, because I really like my team and job too.
Yeah it’s legal. The only thing illegal in the course of an employment would be if they fire your for exercising your protected rights.
what rights do we have?
The right to not work there.