Amazon pip
Accepted an offer from Amazon, but now thinking if I should rescind as I am reading really very bad reviews about Amazon and their PIP. I have a very stable life right now with my current company. The main reason I accepted Amazon is due to their brand value. It would be great if someone from Amazon answer the following questions: 1. Would there be any indication from the manager before an employee is kept under PIP? 2. After joining how soon an employee could be kept in PIP? Would they wait at least one year before keeping an employee under PIP? 3. Once placed in PIP, how many days one have to search for a new job? 4. Overall what is the probability that an employee would be placed in PIP? 5. Once placed in PIP how easy it is to move to a new job within Amazon? If anyone has rescinded offer from Amazon please share how the HR reacts and what reason you used to back out? I do not care if they blacklist me as anyway I never want to work for a company who hire and fire irrespective of the performance of the employee.
1. Yes, a manager will do weekly one on ones with you. If he is concerns about performance, he will tell you. 2. About a year, except maybe in extreme cases. 3. I think its 30 or 60 days, can't remember. Ussualy you will be put on devlist first, which is several months. 4. Low. People just go on forum to complain about it, so you never here "I didn't get pipped today". I was at amazon for 4 years and only knew 1 person who got pipped, and he was really, really bad. Edit: 5. No, you cannot switch teams while on pip.
Thanks, what is devlist?
Devlist is precursor to PIP. It's a nudge telling you to improve. They will give you a couple leadership principles to work on. If you don't improve on devlist, you get PIP. I knew 3 people put on devlist. 2 got off of it in a couple months after working to improve. 1 was moved to PIP.
If you're this obsessed with failing before you even start, don't take the job
Here are some answers based on what I have seen: 1. No 2. As soon as 3 months 3. Depends on what you negotiate with your manager and how merciful they are feeling. 4. Depends on org but average is 10% 5. You can't, you will be blocked from any internal transfers
You are worried for nothing, don’t overthink it
1. Yes. You need documented feedback communicated to the employee before an official pip can start. 2. It's "put on" not kept. And no, there isn't any weird hard grace period before your performance can be considered underpar (especially not a year). 3. A pip basically outlines the feedback that you aren't meeting certain performance bars. Usually comes with a date by which improvement needs to be shown, as well as an option to leave immediately for a certain pay out. You could search for jobs during this period internally, although it's not really allowed to switch teams while you are under performance review. 4. It's not a lottery, perform well and it won't happen. Don't and it will or your manager will be put on one for not putting you on one. You are overthinking this. The pip is actually good, because this happens completely in your boss's mind at other companies versus more transparently at Amazon 5. Pretty hard, if you suck enough to be pip it's not in anyone's best interest to float you over to a new manager to skate by for another 6 months
haha, two twitch people reply quickly. interesting data point.
Tenure and level makes a difference. I've seen people get pushed out who were pretty good. I have seen it take more than a year to push someone out a senior leader who was clearly ineffective in their current role (they were good on prior role). Others who have been here longer (but also lazy) are very sharp, always have a good explanation for this or that ("we learned a lot from that <preventable> failure and we are making changes")... And because hiring is a challenge, they move before the ax...
if you don’t need to work at amazon, reject the offer and cite the PIP and culture as a huge turn off. there’s 0% unemployment in tech right now. Work somewhere with a better culture. i have a relatively new manager that doesn’t like me at twitch and TRIED to PIP me, but didn’t take the correct steps. so now i have an incredibly toxic relationship with him while he continues to document every misstep i make.
Sometimes it's lottery and you get PIPed for no fault.. I have seen several cases.. The guy had very good tech experience but was given shit work, he told manger about his interest few times and later he got pip Another girI i know was very hardworking but couldn't do 12 hours all 7 days. Her manager added her to Dev list when she talked about team change few times. She got pip later. Another SDE 2 got all the Json, xml config creation work for 6 months and got piped for not doing dive deep. Many sde in my team are constantly under fear of pip inspite of working long hours. Misusing pip is one the reasons for toxic culture
Had exact same experience
How is the Microsoft in terms of PIP?
Don't listen to blind. Pip is very rare and only happens people who are struggling to perform. You don't hear the happy stories of 99.x% of people who are not in pip. Unhappy people making loud noise it's what you are seeing in blind. Amazon is a great company and you seldom have layoffs and pretty stable job security wise. Most other companies including high flying Microsoft have layoffs which are bad. Amazon always need people and always hiring.
Pip is quite common. You don’t need to worry if you are a good performer. But be cautious to not get thrown under the bus
Literally in the same boat as you. Add more questions, like if you can switch to a different team on PIP?
Added the 5th Q
If you don't suck, you'll be fine. Literally as simple as that.