Current Amazon L6 evaluating a move to Facebook/Google E6. Distribution of SDE job family by level indicates that E6 at FB/G is ~10% of all SDEs. This corresponds to the distribution of L6 at Amazon. However, multiple blind threads indicate that L6 at Amazon does not correspond to E6 at FB/G. My questions: 1. What job responsibilities for E6 at FB/G might not correspond to job responsibilities at Amazon L6? 2. Does E6 at FB/G report to M1 or M2 or Director? (I am guessing mostly M1 sometimes M2, but wanted to check) Any insights would be helpful. TC 350K L6 SDE Amazon #career
I am a tenured L6 at Amazon leading 10+ engineers among 3 teams. I interviewed for L6 @ G The hiring committee did not even consider me for L6
I did Amazon L6 to FB E6 recently but I had to push really hard for E6. The recruiter was trying to convince me for E5 before the loop but I was ready to walk away if I only got E5 I have seen new L6 get E5 and people with a few years of experience at L6 get E6 In terms of job, it’s the same as L6 but you get less support from manager at FB I feel I’m reporting to M1 but I know a couple who report to M2, same as Amazon I guess
Internal instructions are that Amazon L6 <=> FB E5. They'll still beat your comp at that level. You can only get E6 if you push and are tenured.
What about E5? Can SDE2s get E5? Is there a YOE requirement?
Nonsense. FB has hired 3 from my team, all L5s who went for the uplevel to E5 because it was much easier than the L6 promo process at Amazon and paid moderately better than a newly promoted L6.
External E6 often stay <1 year and leave. If you are not there, I would suggest not to stretch too much.
Can you share major reasons for this? (As you see them)
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I was an L4 SWE at Google and got an L6 offer from Amazon, so I think L6 at Amazon should be equivalent to L5 at Google.
A tenured L6 SDE at Amazon, particularly one who has reported to a manager of managers and has worked at that scale, will be a better fit for E6/L6. Most people I see moving to FB as E5s are experienced L5s or freshly promoted L6s at Amazon.
Ex-Amazonian currently an M2 at FB. Don't go by distribution and percentage, Amazon is bottom heavy versus other companies tends to have lot less college hires. For instance, FB has less than 10% of SDEs with less than 2 years experience versus Amazon 40%. At FB, E5s are expected to drive Roadmap, project schedule, run day to day execution, handle customer/cross team questions, onboarding and ramping up new hires, and tons of 1:1s with team mates / cross-team. This is mostly done by SDMs at Amazon. Once you go to E6, you are doing this for multi-team level. On top of that, you still have to do oncall and your own deliverables. E6 at FB is similar to your top layer SDE 3s which are generally reporting to L7 or an L6 with larger scope/multiple-teams.
This lines up with the responses from others. Looks like this is dependent on the person's job responsibilities and not just the level.
There are level specific criteria similar to role description at Amazon. Direction and influence are axis at which you get a rating. So this is not like Amazon where these are optional activities.
I’m a tenured L7 and just got an L7 role at Google. It’s possible, but i suppose the experience is important. Being a bar raiser helps 😂
Nice!
Are you a tenured SDE3? If yes, go for E6/L6 Btw E6 = M1 at FB.
E6 != M1
@Bkrd72, yes E6 = M1, different ladder but same level